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    Mansi,<br>
    <br>
    If CoolT is as Vikram describes, this might be the solution to your
    problem.  The main issue for you is to know the air flow output of
    the PDEC  in actual operations, not under design conditions, so that
    other program you mentioned for sizing the PDEC is of little help. 
    If CoolT is not able to give you air flow rates based on the ambient
    conditions and the indoor air temperature, you could try building a
    simple two-zone model (PDEC, Building) using CONTAM and then run
    that stand-alone to get the air flows between the two zones. <br>
    <br>
    In reference to Vikram's comment, I've said all along that the
    difference between the PDEC and a  standard DEC<br>
    is the mechanism used to drive the air across the media - using
    natural bouyancy forces in the first case and a mechanical fan in
    the second case.  Once you have the air flow rate, the PDEC is
    actually simpler to model because there's no need to model fan
    efficiency and heat gain, etc.  In fact, it just takes a single
    effectiveness curve, or even just a constant effectiveness number.<br>
    <br>
    Joe<br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="90">Joe Huang
White Box Technologies, Inc.
346 Rheem Blvd., Suite 108D
Moraga CA 94556
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(o) (925)388-0265
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"building energy simulations at your fingertips"
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    <br>
    On 3/8/2012 6:49 AM, Mansi Jayswal wrote:
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      Thanks Vikram,
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      <div>Could you tell me from where i can download this Software  "
        CoolT" ? i have tried to Google but did not find it anyware. I
        have even found one of your research paper. it seems you have
        already worked on it. it will be great if you could guide me.</div>
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        <div>On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Sami, Vikram <span><<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:Vikram.Sami@perkinswill.com">Vikram.Sami@perkinswill.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <p><span>Another option to look into is CoolT developed
                    by Nader Chalfoun at University of Arizona in
                    Tucson. It’s a Dos program that is based on
                    empirical data that they collected from the
                    extensive testing they did on Cool Towers (Passive
                    Downdraught Chimneys). </span></p>
                <p><span>   </span></p>
                <p><span>Again – I would throw in words of caution.
                    Passive downdraught chimneys rely on buoyancy driven
                    forces – something that you cannot approximate with
                    a fan driven evaporative cooler or wind driven.
                    eQUEST might be able to model this, but its beyond
                    my knowledge. Also – The folks at UA (Nader Chalfoun
                    & Martin Yoklic) did some testing with cool
                    towers in enclosed spaces. I would try writing to
                    them to get some feedback on issues to consider. </span></p>
                <p><span>   </span></p>
                <p><span>I think Nader is on this list – not sure if
                    he’s still active. </span></p>
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                  <p><span>   </span></p>
                  <p><b><span>   </span></b></p>
                  <p><b><span>Vikram Sami</span></b><span>, LEED AP BD+C
                    </span></p>
                  <p><span>Sustainable Design Analyst </span></p>
                  <p>
                    <span>1315 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta, GA 30309 </span></p>
                  <p><span>t: 404-443-7462    f: </span><span lang="ES">404.892.5823   </span><span>   
                      e: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:vikram.sami@perkinswill.com">vikram.sami@perkinswill.com</a>  
                    </span><span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.perkinswill.com/"><span>www.perkinswill.com</span></a></span><span>
                    </span></p>
                  <p><b><span>Perkins+Will.</span></b><span>  </span><span>Ideas
                      + buildings that honor the broader goals of
                      society</span><span> </span></p>
                  <p><span>   </span></p>
                  <p><span>   </span></p>
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                <p><b><span>From:</span></b><span> Mansi Jayswal
                    [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:ar.mansi.jayswal@gmail.com">ar.mansi.jayswal@gmail.com</a>]
                    <br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 08, 2012 2:40 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Design Builder USA<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> Dahlstrom, Aaron; Sami, Vikram; <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></span></p>
                <div>
                  <div><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Query regarding
                    PDEC ( Passive cooling ) simulation in eQuest </div>
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                    <p>   </p>
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                      <p>   </p>
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                    <p>Thank you all for your quick response and
                      Information. </p>
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                      <p>   </p>
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                      <p>
                        Is it possible that if i use PHDC software to
                        design the PDEC system and simulate the same
                        building in eQuest ??  PHDC software can give me
                        the required size of the passive down
                        draught evaporating cooling towers for the
                        building. </p>
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                      <p>   </p>
                      <div>
                        <p>On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Design
                          Builder USA <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:jcrossett@designbuilderusa.com">jcrossett@designbuilderusa.com</a>>
                          wrote: </p>
                        <p><span>You may wish to explore the free trial
                            of Design Builder, as it has CFD, natural
                            ventilation and evaporate cooling. </span> </p>
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                          <p><span>Tho I am not sure if it can be used
                              for your passive cooling requirement or
                              not..</span> </p>
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                          <p>   </p>
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                        <div>
                          <p><span>Best of luck</span> </p>
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                                <p>On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:53 AM,
                                  Dahlstrom, Aaron <<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:ADahlstrom@in-posse.com">ADahlstrom@in-posse.com</a>>
                                  wrote: </p>
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                                      <p><span>Mansi – </span> </p>
                                      <p><span> </span> </p>
                                      <p><span>We have done some
                                          schematic modeling of wind
                                          towers with Fluent, a CFD
                                          package as noted.</span> </p>
                                      <p>
                                        <span>Our climate didn’t justify
                                          evaporative pre-cooling.</span>
                                      </p>
                                      <p><span> </span> </p>
                                      <p><span>eQUEST has a natural
                                          ventilation module, which I
                                          have not fully dived into. </span>
                                      </p>
                                      <p><span> </span> </p>
                                      <p><span>I believe it requires
                                          inputs that would likely be
                                          validated by a CFD model – for
                                          example, I don’t think
                                          eQUEST’s natural ventilation
                                          model allows for evaporative
                                          pre-cooling as a temperature
                                          driver for natural air
                                          exchange in a space.</span> </p>
                                      <p><span>As eQUEST models each
                                          zone as a fully mixed space,
                                          and has limited air transfer
                                          between zones, you may also
                                          have trouble getting the
                                          thermal stratification from
                                          eQUEST that would typically be
                                          needed to drive natural
                                          ventilation in a PDEC.</span>
                                      </p>
                                      <p><span> </span> </p>
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                                        <p><b><span>Aaron Dahlstrom ,
                                              PE, LEED® AP</span></b> </p>
                                        <p><b><span>In P</span></b><b><span>o</span></b><b><span>sse</span></b><span>
                                            – </span><span>A subsidiary
                                            of</span><span> </span><b><span>AKF</span></b><span>|
                                            1500 Walnut Street, Suite
                                            1414, Philadelphia, PA 19102
                                          </span> </p>
                                        <p><span>d: <a
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                                              href="tel:215-282-6753">215-282-6753</a>|
                                            m: <a
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                                        <p><span>e: <a
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                                              href="mailto:ADahlstrom@in-posse.com">ADahlstrom@in-posse.com</a>
                                            | in posse web: <a
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                                            | akf web: <a
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                                        </p>
                                        <p><span> </span> </p>
                                        <p>
                                          <span> </span> </p>
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                                      <p><span> </span> </p>
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                                          <p><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
                                              [mailto:<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
                                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sami,
                                              Vikram<br>
                                              <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday,
                                              March 07, 2012 8:53 AM<br>
                                              <b>To:</b> Mansi Jayswal;
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                                              <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                              [Equest-users] Query
                                              regarding PDEC ( Passive
                                              cooling ) simulation in
                                              eQuest</span> </p>
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                                          <p>  </p>
                                          <p><span>Mansi,</span> </p>
                                          <p>
                                            <span> </span> </p>
                                          <p><span>I doubt you can do
                                              this credibly in eQUEST.
                                              You really need a CFD type
                                              package to be able to
                                              simulate this. . A word of
                                              caution – the effort to
                                              develop the simulation for
                                              this is a master’s thesis
                                              in itself. </span> </p>
                                          <p><span> </span> </p>
                                          <p><span> </span> </p>
                                          <p><span> </span> </p>
                                          <p><b><span> </span></b> </p>
                                          <p><b><span>Vikram Sami</span></b><span>,
                                              LEED AP BD+C</span> </p>
                                          <p><span>Sustainable Design
                                              Analyst</span> </p>
                                          <p>
                                            <span>1315 Peachtree St. NE,
                                              Atlanta, GA 30309</span> </p>
                                          <p><span>t: <a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="tel:404-443-7462">404-443-7462</a>   
                                              f: </span><span lang="ES"><a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="tel:404.892.5823">404.892.5823</a>   </span><span>   
                                              e: <a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:vikram.sami@perkinswill.com">vikram.sami@perkinswill.com</a>  
                                            </span><span><a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="http://www.perkinswill.com/"><span>www.perkinswill.com</span></a></span>
                                          </p>
                                          <p><b><span>Perkins+Will.</span></b><span> 
                                            </span><span>Ideas +
                                              buildings that honor the
                                              broader goals of society</span>
                                          </p>
                                          <p><span> </span> </p>
                                          <p><span> </span> </p>
                                          <p><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]">[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]</a>
                                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mansi
                                              Jayswal<br>
                                              <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday,
                                              March 06, 2012 11:25 PM<br>
                                              <b>To:</b> <a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                                              <b>Subject:</b>
                                              [Equest-users] Query
                                              regarding PDEC ( Passive
                                              cooling ) simulation in
                                              eQuest</span> </p>
                                          <p>  </p>
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                                            <p>  </p>
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                                          <p><span>Hello friends,</span>
                                          </p>
                                          <p><span> </span> </p>
                                          <p><span>My name is Mansi
                                              Jayswal. I am a final year
                                              student of Masters
                                              Programme at CEPT
                                              University, India. By
                                              profession I am an
                                              architect. Currently I am
                                              doing thesis on passive
                                              cooling technique (Passive
                                              down draught evaporative
                                              cooling system- PDEC ).
                                              And try to identified that
                                              how much cooling load of
                                              HVAC system can be
                                              replaced through this
                                              system.</span> </p>
                                          <p><span> </span> </p>
                                          <p><span>Now my query is that
                                              is it eQuest is capable to
                                              simulate such building
                                              with wind tower or PHDC
                                              (PDEC ) system? If anybody
                                              knows please kindly reply.
                                              I have very days left for
                                              final submission and I am
                                              stuck here.</span> </p>
                                          <p><span> </span> </p>
                                          <p><span>Thanks </span> </p>
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                                          <p>-- </p>
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                                            <p><span><br>
                                                Regards,</span> </p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p><span>Mansi Jayswal,</span>
                                            </p>
                                          </div>
                                          <p><span>B.Arch I IGBC AP I
                                              M.Tech in Climate Change
                                              & Sustainable
                                              Development </span> </p>
                                          <div>
                                            <p><span>Faculty of
                                                Sustainable Environment
                                                & Climate Change,</span>
                                            </p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p><span>Centre for
                                                Environmental Planning
                                                & Technology (CEPT)
                                                University</span> </p>
                                          </div>
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                          <p><span>-- </span></p>
                          <p><span>Jeremiah D. Crossett</span><span> </span></p>
                          <p><span>Energy Modeling Consultant </span><span>
                            </span></p>
                          <p><span>503-688-8951</span><span> </span></p>
                          <p><span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://www.DesignBuilder.com"><span>www.DesignBuilderUSA.com</span></a>
                            </span></p>
                          <p><span>   </span></p>
                          <p><span> </span></p>
                          <div>
                            <p><span>   </span></p>
                            <p><span>   </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <p>   </p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <p><br>
                        <br>
                      </p>
                      <div>
                        <p>   </p>
                      </div>
                      <p>-- <span> </span></p>
                      <div>
                        <p><span><br>
                            Regards, </span></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p><span>Mansi Jayswal, </span></p>
                      </div>
                      <p><span>B.Arch I IGBC AP I M.Tech in Climate
                          Change & Sustainable Development </span></p>
                      <div>
                        <p><span>Faculty of Sustainable Environment
                            & Climate Change, </span></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p><span>Centre for Environmental Planning &
                            Technology (CEPT) University </span></p>
                      </div>
                      <p>   </p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
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              </div>
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        </div>
        <br>
        <br>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        -- <br>
        <div><br>
          Regards,</div>
        <div>Mansi Jayswal,</div>
        B.Arch I IGBC AP I M.Tech in Climate Change & Sustainable
        Development
        <div>Faculty of Sustainable Environment & Climate Change,</div>
        <div>Centre for Environmental Planning & Technology (CEPT)
          University</div>
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