<div>Hi Yusuf / eQuest users,</div><div> </div><div>First I'd like to thank you for making me feel that im not alone in this situation.</div><div> </div><div>You've mentioned whole building simulation method, is that the same as Performance Rating Method (90.1 Appendix-G)? </div>
<div> </div><div>With performance rating method, Section G.1.1 says all mandatories should still be met.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Bob<br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Yusuf Turab <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yusuf@ytenterprises.com">yusuf@ytenterprises.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<br>Bob<br><br> I understand where you are coming from. Indian developers have the same dilemma. Unfortunately, for the prescriptive approach you do not have a choice. You have to design as per the standard even though the ROI is very poor. I suggest you follow the whole building simulation method. You will be able to demonstrate significant savings using simple strategies like shading, high performance glass, optimised orientation etc. This might help you do away with insulating the walls. <br>
<br>Hope this helps<br clear="all">Yusuf Turab<br><br><br><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ty Law<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Fwd: Fw: Mandatory Provisions 5.4<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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