<p>Hi Ty / Nick / eQuest users,</p><p>I also have a question about the mandatory provisions with international projects (Climate-1), a tropical country where heating is not applicable and wall insulation is not typically being used. Though insulation helps improve the energy savings a little bit, it's always been a problem for the owners to agree because of the additional cost for a very minimal effect (usually <1%).</p>
<p>With the envelope mandatory provisions, using the Performance Rating Method is it necessary to follow the required insulations / U-values in Table 5.5-1 or does LEED accept some kind of explanation or Local Code stating that insulation or SC / U-value is really not regulated to show envelope mandatory compliance?</p>
<div>Does anyone have the same experience for international project?</div><div> </div><div>- Bob<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Nick Caton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">“Where you are required to have insulation, you must install it per section 5.8.1.1-9.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Turning that around:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">“Where you are not required to have insulation, 5.8.1.1-9 does not come into play.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I don’t believe this is a “follow either A or B” statement – more like “if A, then B.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">~Nick</span><b><span style="color:rgb(45,77,94);font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(45,77,94);font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif"">NICK CATON, P.E.</span></b><b><span style="color:rgb(45,77,94);font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ty Law<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Fwd: Fw: Mandatory Provisions 5.4<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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