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<P CLASS="d4e15e27-0784-42ea-96ef-25d204d2c64d"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Greg,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>When we have done this, we have gotten the shell to come through well enough, but we lost the 2D floor plan. Have you figured out a way to get the 2D floor plan to come through GBS, or did you decide it was an acceptable loss?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jeremy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Myriad Web Pro";color:gray'>___________________________________________</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>Jeremy McClanathan</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>,</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'> P.E., BEMP, HFDP,</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>LEED<sup>®</sup> AP BD+C </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:9.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'><img alt="CDi_Engineers_logo_color.jpg" height=15 id="Picture_x0020_8" src="cid:image008.jpg@01CCD12A.F71CC070" width=98></span></b><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:olive'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>4200 194th St SW, Ste 200, Lynnwood, WA 98036</span><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:olive'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>P 425-672-1071 | F 425-778-8769 </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#99CC00'>P</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#99CC00'> </span><i><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#99CC00'>Please consider the environment before printing this email.</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Greg Collins [mailto:GCollins@glumac.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 05, 2012 5:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> Peter Hillermann; 'Sivakumar, Sudheera'; 'Sami, Vikram'; 'Adam Barker'; 'm zahid'; 'e quest'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] How to import 3D model<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I'd like to jump in and provide a view that's contrary to the popular opinion. Our group does lots of modeling in eQuest, and our typical approach is to create a model geometry in Revit that is based on an architect's Revit model, CAD files, or whatever we're provided. There are several important rules that need to be followed, but it is possible to create a geometrically (hence, thermodynamically) accurate gbXML with Revit, Sketchup, and other 3D modeling tools. We then export the gbXML from Revit and import into Autodesk's Green Building Studio and download the DOE-2 file from there, which can be opened in eQuest.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>This process won't be faster than the wizard right away, but once you figure out the rules (there are many resources available), it becomes pretty smooth to create the geometry and import into eQuest. There are some weird things that GBS does that need to be undone once in eQuest - mainly overriding input values - but we've developed other processes to speed this up as well.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It may not be for everybody, but it gets you a very accurate building geometry and can be faster and easier to manipulate complex geometries than within eQuest. And (as somebody already pointed out) you have a gbXML file that can be used in many platforms, and the DOE-2 and EnergyPlus files that GBS creates.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>Greg Collins</b>, PE, LEED AP+<span style='color:#1F497D'><br></span>Regional Manager<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Energy Department<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><br></span><a href="http://www.glumac.com/"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img alt="http://www.glumac.com/glumacsig.gif" border=0 height=41 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image009.gif@01CCD12A.F71CC070" width=343></span></a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><hr align=left noshade size=2 style='color:#A0A0A0' width=330></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><img alt="40 yr color small" border=0 height=45 id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image010.jpg@01CCD12A.F71CC070" width=49><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>18200 Von Karman Avenue, Suite 100<br>Irvine, CA 92612<br>T. 949.833.8190 F. 949.833.0252<br><br><b>Thinking. Inside the building.</b><br><a href="http://www.twitter.com/glumacengineers"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img alt="cid:image001.png@01CC45FA.A3365810" border=0 height=22 id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image011.png@01CCD12A.F71CC070" width=22></span></a><a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Glumac/213797265436"><b><span style='text-decoration:none'><img alt="cid:image004.jpg@01CC98A3.24F9BEA0" border=0 height=22 id="Picture_x0020_5" src="cid:image012.jpg@01CCD12A.F71CC070" width=22></span></b></a><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/company/34034"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img alt="cid:image002.jpg@01CC45FA.A3365810" border=0 height=22 id="Picture_x0020_4" src="cid:image013.jpg@01CCD12A.F71CC070" width=22></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Hillermann<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Sivakumar, Sudheera'; 'Sami, Vikram'; 'Adam Barker'; 'm zahid'; 'e quest'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] How to import 3D model<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sudheera,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Starting from scratch is your best option. You are in a tough spot.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE>PETER HILLERMANN<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><a href="mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com">peterh@westallarchitects.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:75%'><b><span lang=DE>westall</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:75%;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:4.0pt;line-height:75%'><b>architects</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>3404 pierce drive<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>chamblee, georgia 30341<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>o 770.458.4113<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>c 678.898.2936<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>westallarchitects.com<span style='color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><img alt="Description: Description: Description: e-signature" border=0 height=87 id="_x0000_i1031" src="cid:image014.jpg@01CCD12A.F71CC070" width=160><img alt="Description: Description: Description: USGBC-Logo" border=0 height=90 id="_x0000_i1032" src="cid:image015.gif@01CCD12A.F71CC070" width=92><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Sivakumar, Sudheera [<a href="mailto:Sudheera.Sivakumar@stantec.com">mailto:Sudheera.Sivakumar@stantec.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 04, 2012 5:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> Peter Hillermann; 'Sami, Vikram'; 'Adam Barker'; 'm zahid'; 'e quest'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] How to import 3D model<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>What do you guys think about how to tackle the situation , when the Architect changes the floor plan considerably in the middle of the project design and not enough budget available to create the model ( 7 storey building with different floor plates) from scratch in the wizard? Going through the messages, creating from scratch is the best option. Am I wrong?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>Sudheera Sivakumar, </b><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Peter Hillermann [<a href="mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com">mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:08 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Sami, Vikram'; 'Adam Barker'; 'm zahid'; 'e quest'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] How to import 3D model<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I like this conversation cause it is one that I have battled with for a long time.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I’m going to respond on top of the previous comments in saying that it all depends on your comfort with software and 3D modeling. As below I agree with Vikram that at the moment it is easier to just model the project directly in eQuest and not import at all. Let me however tell you that I have built models in eQuest, Vasari, REVIT and Ecotect and they all work fine as long as you understand the basic principles of computer modeling. Vasari is definitely not ready for prime time however you can use it as your integrated modeler between eQuest and REVIT.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The one main issue that I have run into and it is working as an architect and coordinating with our engineer that I have found out that architectural REVIT models with gbXML information looks totally different than the zoning model for an HVAC layout used in eQuest. The ways these models are constructed are total different even though the exterior skin might look the same.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I’ve done this before but I have attached images of all the softwares to show the model.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Just stick with the wizard for now unless the geometries are extremely complex.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE>PETER HILLERMANN<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><a href="mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com">peterh@westallarchitects.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:75%'><b><span lang=DE>westall</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:75%;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:4.0pt;line-height:75%'><b>architects</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>3404 pierce drive<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>chamblee, georgia 30341<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>o 770.458.4113<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>c 678.898.2936<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>westallarchitects.com<span style='color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><img alt="Description: Description: Description: e-signature" border=0 height=87 id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image014.jpg@01CCD12A.F71CC070" width=160><img alt="Description: Description: Description: USGBC-Logo" border=0 height=90 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image015.gif@01CCD12A.F71CC070" width=92><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]">[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sami, Vikram<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:23 AM<br><b>To:</b> Adam Barker; 'm zahid'; 'e quest'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] How to import 3D model<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>// all things considered it seems that importing 3D geometry is not that big of a timesaver compared to the design wizard//<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I agree. The argument is that with importing from Revit there is already a 3d model available. The issue normally is that there is too much information in the Revit model and most often it needs a LOT of clean up. Its potentially easy if you are a person with really fantastic model management skills (I haven’t met one yet).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b>Vikram Sami</b>, LEED AP BD+C<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>Sustainable Design Analyst<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>1315 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta, GA 30309<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>t: 404-443-7462 f: <span lang=ES>404.892.5823 </span> e: <a href="mailto:vikram.sami@perkinswill.com">vikram.sami@perkinswill.com</a> <a href="http://www.perkinswill.com/">www.perkinswill.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:3.0pt;text-autospace:none'><b>Perkins+Will.</b> Ideas + buildings that honor the broader goals of society<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]">[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam Barker<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:13 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'm zahid'; 'e quest'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] How to import 3D model<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>One potential workflow is Revit > Ecotect > eQuest. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If you google exporting Revit to Ecotect there are several videos / step by step instructions to show you what you need to do to prepare the model. It mainly has to do with how you define rooms, which become your thermal zones. However, Ecotect to eQuest I haven’t been able to do very successfully. There seems to be some problems with exporting the geometry and zones properly (which is really the major and some would say only benefit). The only thing I was able to import were wall constructions, which I would rather define in eQuest anyways. I haven’t been able to find a thorough explanation of what to do in Ecotect to prepare your geometry for eQuest. FYI, Ecotect also exports to gbXML, Energy Plus, Radiance, etc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Another workflow is Vasari > eQuest. Vasari is an, as of now, free Autodesk program in trial stages that is basically Revit combined with some basic DOE2 based energy modeling capability, really just for comparing different scenarios in early design. In my opinion this software is not ready for creating more complex models as I found creating the zones lacks the flexibility most models would need - The software will automatically create zones based on ASHRAE 90.1 perimeter set backs, 1 per floor, etc. Unless you have an open office plan, this is probably not what you need. You can define your zones manually, but not easily in my opinion. <a href="http://labs.autodesk.com/utilities/vasari/">http://labs.autodesk.com/utilities/vasari/</a> - if you’re interested.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I’ve tried to look into this a few times now, and all things considered it seems that importing 3D geometry is not that big of a timesaver compared to the design wizard, if at all. If anyone has experience with these workflows, I would be grateful to hear it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div align=center class=MsoNormal style='text-align:center'><hr align=center size=2 width="100%"></div><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]">[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>m zahid<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> e quest<br><b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] How to import 3D model<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>hi <br> <br>Happy New Year to All. Does anybody know the any software from which we can import 3D model into eQuest.<strong> </strong><br><br> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>thanks <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <br>zahid <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, copy, or alter this email.<o:p></o:p></p></div></P>
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