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    it is also good to remember that gbxml translations are not 100%
    accurate yet.  a study a few years ago indicated that major vendor
    (autodesk, bently, archicad, etc) translations to/from gbxml were
    only about 90% so if you take something that's 90% accurate &
    convert it once you've introduced a 10% error rate.  make changes to
    a translated gbxml file & translate it again & you're 81%. 
    i'm thinking with time the accuracy may increase but there's not
    really an incentive, financial or otherwise, for autodesk (or
    others) to make their files 100% compatible with their competitors
    despite their public announcements of cooperation on the matter. 
    equest/energy+ are still competitors to their own non-free energy
    simulation software. <br>
    <br>
    a few years ago i wrote some translation software to go from gbxml
    to .pd2/.inp for just the building components
    (spaces/walls/roof/windows/floors) & found a) it worked better
    going to wizard mode than detailed mode (too many odd shaped walls,
    nonaccurate window orientations, and missing elements), and b)
    autodesk is not consistent w/the gbxml file format across their
    platforms.  a revit architecture gbxml export was different in where
    space components were defined than a file from the autocad mep or
    revit mep packages and when architects i was working with upgraded
    from one year of revit to the next the gbxml file format would
    change.  this would require my rewriting sections of code to find
    the new space definitions w/their respective floors/walls/etc &
    i finally decided spending that much time rewriting something every
    i received a new gbxml file from a different client using a slightly
    different version of autodesk/archicad/bently wasn't worth it.  <br>
    <br>
    my point?  i'm still creating shells & assigning zones via the
    wizard it is easier & faster than trying to convert something
    else.  odd shaped buildings = more shells.  buildings w/areas
    w/different heights = multiple shells.  get it as close as possible
    in the wizard mode & as long as it is thermodynamically similar
    it is not only  close enough it is closer than anything you'll
    produce with trane or hap as neither will give you a 3d
    representation of your building so you can make sure it is as close
    to thermodynamically similar as you can get.<br>
    <br>
    and finally, i've also learned to use a master .pd2 file.  i add
    custom constructions (since 3.63 & up allow this) and custom
    windows and doors & then i don't have to define them every time
    i start a project.  floor slabs don't allow this yet but at least i
    have a master file with the baseline building constructions as
    predefined as possible & also has the common constructions i
    typically see from recurring clients.  note:  i still check the
    constructions when i switch to detailed mode just to make sure
    equest doesn't do something funny and change a calculated u-value to
    something else for some odd reason. <br>
    <br>
    On 1/4/12 7:33 AM, Wolfe, Brian wrote:
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ve
            tried using .gbxml to import 3D models, but the zones did
            not import correctly.  I’ve heard that it’s best to recreate
            the model in eQuest.  I am interested in how this DrawBDL
            3.0 will work.  I’m sure if there was a way of importing the
            design model into the energy model, all teams would greatly
            benefit from the decreased amount of time wasted on
            rebuilding a model.  This would be a good round table
            discussion on the best way of importing the design model
            into an energy model.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              lang="EN">Brian Wolfe</span></b><span
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            lang="EN">, CDT, LEED AP BD+C </span><span
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          </span><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray">Sustainable
            Design Coordinator</span><span style="color:#1F497D">
          </span><span
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            lang="EN">|</span><span
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            lang="EN">  Enhancing the Human Experience <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F"
            lang="EN">If you are sending large files, please use my
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                  style="color:#7F7F7F;text-decoration:none">Thru</span></b></a>
            dropbox.<br>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
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            <b>On Behalf Of </b>steve clark<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 04, 2012 6:44 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> m zahid<br>
            <b>Cc:</b> e quest<br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] How to import 3D model<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Will Google
          Sketchup work for this purpose?<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:45 AM, m zahid
            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">hi  <br>
                 <br>
                Happy New Year to All. Does anybody know the any
                software from which we can import 3D model into eQuest.<b>   </b><br>
                <br>
                 <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">thanks <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <span class="hoenzb">zahid <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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