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Victor,<BR> <BR>I agree with Brian that it is probably a free cooling issue. The dual enthalpy economizer control will not always pick the lowest-energy airstream. The theoretically optimum economizer highlimit control strategy is close to a mix of dual enthalpy and dual drybulb. Dual enthalpy does better when there is latent cooling and dual drybulb does better when there is only sensible cooling. I suspect that the dual enthalpy control is missing some good free cooling opportunities. So, by increasing the minimum ventilation, there are probably some peak summer condition hours where this causes an increase in the cooling load but it is still better from an annual energy standpoint because you are increasing the amount of free cooling for many more hours of the year. You should be able to test this by comparing the hourly reports from the two sets of runs.<BR> <BR>For more background info, see the article in the November 2010 ASHRAE Journal which provides a detailed review of economizer high limit control strategies. Comparing the different strategies graphically on psych charts helps explain it so much better than words can alone.<BR> <BR>Hwakong <BR><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 13:24:23 -0400<br>From: <a href="mailto:Victor@invirosystems.ca">Victor@invirosystems.ca</a><br>To: bfountain@greensim.com<br>CC: equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] OA Intake on Energy Use<br><br>
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</style><div class="ecxWordSection1"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi Brian,</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks for the quick reply. I understand where you’re coming from, but 100% free cooling was always available before I increased the OA intake. The free cooling credit for both scenarios should be the same. If the building had no economizers, then yes, bringing in more OA will help with the cooling. There are definitely humid days where free cooling is not available, and bringing in more OA on those days should increase the overall cooling energy use.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="text-transform: uppercase; letter-spacing: 0.2pt; font-size: 9pt;">VICTOR YEUNG, </span></b><i><span style="letter-spacing: 0.2pt; font-size: 9pt;">BASc, LEED® AP BD+C</span></i></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><i><span style='color: rgb(38, 38, 38); letter-spacing: 0.2pt; font-family: "Cambria","serif"; font-size: 8pt;'><a href="mailto:victor@invirosystems.ca">victor@invirosystems.ca</a></span></i></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style='color: windowtext; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;' lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style='color: windowtext; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;' lang="EN-US"> Brian Fountain [mailto:bfountain@greensim.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> November-03-11 1:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> Victor Yeung<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] OA Intake on Energy Use</span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><p class="ecxMsoNormal">I suspect (but don't know) that it is the difference between peak and overall annual energy use. Yes, by bringing in more OA the peak cooling will go up (check SS-D) but there is more OA available for free cooling so the overall cooling energy goes down.<br><br>On 11/3/2011 12:33 PM, Victor Yeung wrote: </p><p class="ecxMsoNormal">Hello modelling gurus,</p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><p class="ecxMsoNormal">I am modelling a restaurant space located in Canada serve by PSZ rooftop units. I notice something weird when I increase the OA intake for the space. Space heating energy use goes up as expected, but cooling energy use went down a tad bit. This doesn’t make sense as I’m bringing in more hot/humid OA to the space. I’ve already setup dual enthalpy economizers for the PSZ units, so I don’t think it’s a problem with free cooling.</p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><p class="ecxMsoNormal">Anyone can point out what’s going on?</p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><p class="ecxMsoNormal">Regards,</p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="text-transform: uppercase; letter-spacing: 0.2pt; font-size: 9pt;">VICTOR YEUNG, </span></b><i><span style="letter-spacing: 0.2pt; font-size: 9pt;">BASc, LEED® AP BD+C</span></i></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><i><span style='color: rgb(38, 38, 38); letter-spacing: 0.2pt; font-family: "Cambria","serif"; font-size: 8pt;'><a href="mailto:victor@invirosystems.ca">victor@invirosystems.ca</a></span></i></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'><br><br><br></span></p><pre>_______________________________________________</pre><pre>Equest-users mailing list</pre><pre><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding..org</a></pre><pre>To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <a href="mailto:EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG">EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a></pre><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'><br><br><br></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com" target="_blank">www.avg.com</a><br>Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4593 - Release Date: 11/03/11</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: windowtext; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>No virus found in this message.<br>Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com" target="_blank">www.avg.com</a><br>Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4593 - Release Date: 11/03/11</span></p></div><br>_______________________________________________
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