<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Pasha, Patrick and Nick:<br><br>Thank you for taking time to look at my problem. <br><br>I deleted 5 of the first floor shells and was able to custom zone the main first floor shell. Then I added the other first floor shells one by one, custom zoning as I went along and did not experience any errors.<br><br>Yes, 17 shells is a bit much, but I could find no other way to accurately model this unusual building. It is an old factory being renovated and expanded to a residential elderly complex. There are three separated crawl spaces under the first floor. Part of the first floor is over a crawl space or the basement and part of the first floor is slab on grade. Part of the first floor is under the second floor and portions of the first floor are under a roof. So
it required 6 shells just for this floor. <br><br>Sincerely,<br><br>Paul Diglio<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Pasha Korber-Gonzalez <pasha.pkconsulting@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Diglio <paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr." <poleary1969@gmail.com>; equest-users <equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org>; Nick Caton <ncaton@smithboucher.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, September 14, 2011 2:26:04 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] Wizard BDL Error When Defining Custom Zones<br></font><br><div>Hi Paul--- I
looked at your model file: Rev 1.--I was able to add a 2nd & 3rd zone to the 1st Floor Main shell with no problems. When I closed out of the navigator I did get the BDL errors that you refferred to, but none of them had to do with zoning of your 1st floor shell. They are errors that are associated with other shells that you have defined.</div>
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<div>I also looked at Rev2 and saw the same things.</div>
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<div>These are some thoughts and observations about your model file from one simulator to another:</div>
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<li>Why are you working with 17 shells in your model? Is this absolutely necessary? I recommend using the "layer cake" building method using shells (as a floor by floor input) and this should be able to get you to 5 shells or less for your entire model. I always try to stick with a lesser amount of shells if possible. </li>
<li>You have already input all of your shells before you have completed the custom zoning in them---this type of approach can be confusing to eQuest and may cause it to get 'finicky' (sp?)--in my opinion/experience. I have a gut feeling that your errors in your model will go away once you are finished adding all your custom zoning/zones to the model and to all your shells.</li>
<li>I suggest that you check "off" the box in the wizard that says "display zone grouping screen" #13 screen by doing this for all of the 17 shells that you have active in your model I think that this will eliminate one of the 3 BDL errors you are getting. After you have your custom zoning completed then you can go back to those zone group screens and continue with your inputs to move forward.</li>
<li>The errors you are getting aren't too alarming to me from looking at your files. I believe taht these errors are just a result of eQuest getting a lot of 'unfinished' input info all at once and it is running into errors until you can complete your input data into the wizard.</li>
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<div>I suggest that you keep plugging away with your model file and as long as you are able to add your zones to your shells then you shouldn't have any problems getting this done. I had no problem adding a couple of shells to the 1st floor main shell. Check out the attached model file that I adjusted.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Pasha</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">I don’t personally have the time to dig at this today – but another suspect cause from what I’ve read is that one or more of your shells/zones may geometrically be in conflict with each other, even if only by a small amount. I’d therefore review your shell placement inputs (I always use coordinates myself), and see if moving them distinctly apart has any effect on whether errors are encountered, as well as whether you’re not accidentally specifying zone vertices that result in conflicting zone footprints (CAD/vertex snaps can be deceptive at times, even when you’re being careful).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Diglio<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> Pasha Korber-Gonzalez; Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr.<br><b>Cc:</b> equest-users
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Patrick:<br><br>Thank you for your efforts. No, I don't have a zone group without a zone attached to it. Kindly check the attached files to see if I missed something.<br>
<br>Pasha:<br><br>Attached is the project rev1 and rev2 files. Rev1 is fine with one zone added on the first floor main shell. Rev2 is with a second zone added to the first floor main shell and is where I am encountering the problems.<br>
<br>Thank you so much for checking this out for me.<br><br>Paul Diglio<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<b>To:</b> "Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr." <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:poleary1969@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:poleary1969@gmail.com">poleary1969@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Paul Diglio <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net">paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net</a>>; equest-users <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tue, September 13, 2011 12:50:34 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Wizard BDL Error When Defining Custom Zones</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Paul---how about attaching your .pd2, .inp, and dwg file and see if we get the same error on our computer....<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm happy to try and recreate the error on my computer.<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">looking at screen 14, do you have a zone group defined without a zone assigned to it? this would be the same as having an empty zone in detailed mode (i.e. no space assigned to a zone). detailed mode requiring the space (your initial customing zoning) assigned to a zone (the zone group wizard screen 14) assigned to an hvac unit of some type. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br><br>On 9/13/11 8:41 AM, Paul Diglio wrote: <u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">The HVAC unit is assigned for each zone I enter. Initially, I had one zone per floor. When I started to add custom zones I made sure that each zone on screen 14 of the shell create/modify wizard is assigned to the hvac system.<br>
<br>I am unsure of what the error message means so I am having difficulty correcting it. I even tried to create custom zones on the second floor of this building and I get the same error, but I was able to create custom zones in the basement of this building without any errors.<br>
<br>Sincerely,<br><br>Paul Diglio<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
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