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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The last time this warning showed up for me in a zone with perimeter heating, it was due to the capacity of the perimeter heating component of the system, not the main system coils. Check the effect of increasing the capacity of the perimeter radiant panels and whether that removes the warning.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If I had to guess, the reason it would not show up as an unmet load hour in the SS-R report is that unmet load hours in that report are based on zone air temperature compared to the thermostat throttling-range. This warning seems to be discussing system capacity and my assumption has been that it results as a comparison of system size from the HVAC module of DOE2.2 to loads calculated by the LOADS module of DOE2.2. The space temperature may be within the throttling-range for all hours of the day while the capacity of the perimeter baseboard is less than the peak load due to the glazing. The zone air temperature is going to be a function of all components of energy transfer in the space (convection, conduction, and radiation) while the perimeter heating system is primarily intended to address the radiation component.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Someone at Hirsch would know specifically what generates this flag, but my experience has been that fixing the capacity of the perimeter heating component resolves this particular warning.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jeremy R. Poling, PE, LEED AP+BDC</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Brad Robinson [mailto:brobinson68@yahoo.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 25, 2011 9:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jeremy Poling; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Fw: insufficient heating capability<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi Jeremy,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Yes there are a few areas with significant glazing, although the majority of the areas have relatively small glazing areas. The building is located near Toronto, so yes heating is required in winter. For one zone, the perimeter heating consists of radiant panels. Almost all rooms within this zone show this warning. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>The 2nd zone is a VAV system that does not have any reheat or baseboards, so I would expect this warning to pop up. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>My question still is should this not show up as unmet heating hours in the SV-R report if there is a heating problem? Both zones have almost zero unmet heating hours. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Jeremy Poling <Jeremy.Poling@transwestern.net><br><b>To:</b> Brad Robinson <brad.robinson@yahoo.com>; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 25, 2011 10:16:47 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Fw: insufficient heating capability</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv214246462><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>By chance, does the building have a significant amount of glass at the exterior in a climate where heating is required at some point during the year? I have seen this warning persist in energy models of buildings where the envelope load is unsatisfied due to lack of baseboard heat. This is a design issue, though, and should probably be brought up to the system designer instead of tweaked in the model until it goes away. Cost and aesthetics are often used as reasons to eliminate baseboard heat, whereas the energy model and some basic ASHRAE 55 calcs may show that to be a bad choice (or at least give the energy modeler and the system designer a CYA when the occupants start complaining).</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just a thought…</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jeremy R. Poling, PE, LEED AP+BDC</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brad Robinson<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 25, 2011 6:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Fw: insufficient heating capability</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div id=yiv214246462><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv214246462><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I am not clear what this warning is saying as the wording is "MIGHT" have insufficient heating capability. I too am getting this warning, but I have very little unmet heating hours. Increasing the cfm/sq.ft only increases total energy use but does not get rid of the warning. It seems to me it may be a software issue rather than a design issue?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> DongEun Kim <equested@gmail.com><br><b>To:</b> Carol Gardner <cmg750@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 25, 2011 7:12:44 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] insufficient heating capability</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv214246462><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Thank you Carol!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I modified "Min Design Flow(cfm/ft2) .<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>However, "insufficient heating" warning is keep showing. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Only thing seems to work to solve this problem is to increase heating capacity is Reheat delta T.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>(Its system is VAV with Reheat).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>What I can't understand the most is that specifying heating capacity of main heating coil doesn't <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>affect the heating capacity anyhow.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Any thoughts on this anyone???<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>DE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>2011/7/25 Carol Gardner <<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Hi DE,<br><br>If you look around at all the defaults you will probably find that somewhere eQUEST is defaulting to 0.5 cfm/sf for your supply air. This is often insufficient to meet your heating/cooling requirements. Things I have done in the past to fix this is to use the same cfm/sf as the proposed building uses, or look in the little ASHRAE Pocket Guide for what they recommend for your building type. These two numbers will likely be similar<br><br>Carol. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 5:16 PM, DongEun Kim <<a href="mailto:equested@gmail.com" target="_blank">equested@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Thank you John,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>But isn't airflow supposed to be auto-sized if not specified?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I intentionally leave the flowrate blank to let the program calculate the cfm that serves load the best.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Should still I specifiy cfm?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>DE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>2011/7/23 John Aulbach <<a href="mailto:jra_sac@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jra_sac@yahoo.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Try increasing airflow.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> DongEun Kim <<a href="mailto:equested@gmail.com" target="_blank">equested@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 22, 2011 12:13 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] insufficient heating capability</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Hi eQuesters!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Can anyone help me here?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I installed main heating coil as well as reheat coil with delta T=30.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Heating capacity and cfm is not defined so that they will be auto-sized.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>And, I keep having this warning saying that the system "might have insufficient heating capability."<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I increased "Zone Entering Max Supply Temp", "Hot Deck Max Leaving Temp." But, the problem stays.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>How do I increase the heating capability?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Thank you !!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>DE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Equest-users mailing list<br><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org</a><br>To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <a href="mailto:EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG" target="_blank">EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Equest-users mailing list<br><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org</a><br>To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <a href="mailto:EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG" target="_blank">EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#888888'>-- <br>Carol Gardner PE</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Equest-users mailing list<br><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org</a><br>To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <a href="mailto:EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG" target="_blank">EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>