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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Paul Riemer
[mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 01, 2011 1:59
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Paul Diglio'; Cam Fitzgerald;
Carol Gardner (cmg750@gmail.com)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org; Li, Lan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Equest-users] LEED
review comments for System 5 heating source</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Paul (and maybe
others):<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I feel like you
might be asserting either “just do whatever the reviewer tells you” and/or
“When the Proposed heating is a hybrid of fossil fuel and electric hybrid, the
Baseline heating source shall be determined by whichever consumption is larger
in the Proposed model.” And I just can’t get on board with either of those
statements.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>To the electric
boiler suggestion, the whole right column addresses electrically heated
baselines and each row results in either heat pump or electric
resistance. I could infer scenarios where Lan could get all or parts of
his baseline building to the ‘electric and other’ column but I cannot see any
scenario that ends up with an electric boiler in the baseline of Appendix G
model. I do recoil a bit that Appendix G always compares hybrid systems
to a fossil fuel baseline but I do think 1) that is its intent and 2) to write
that table another way seems like an rather daunting challenge.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Paul Diglio<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 01, 2011 12:30
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Cam Fitzgerald<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org; Li, Lan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] LEED
review comments for System 5 heating source<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Good eye <st1:place w:st="on">Cam</st1:place>.<br>
<br>
Paul Diglio<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Carol
Gardner <cmg750@gmail.com><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Cam Fitzgerald
<cam@energyopportunities.com><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Paul Diglio
<paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net>; "Li, Lan" <lli@sbmce.com>;
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Fri, July 1, 2011 1:19:31 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] LEED
review comments for System 5 heating source<br>
</span></font><br>
Which is really confusing isn't it, since they specifically list a
Fossil/Electic hybrid as a header on that table. Argh!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Cam Fitzgerald <<a
href="mailto:cam@energyopportunities.com">cam@energyopportunities.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The reference to
the predominant condition is the third footnote under Table G3.1.1A.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Paul Diglio<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 01, 2011 10:45
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Li, Lan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></font></b> <a
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] LEED
review comments for System 5 heating source<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Lan:<br>
<br>
No, I could not find a section that mentions the predominate heating source of
the proposed be used as baseline heating source.<br>
<br>
The Advanced Energy Modeling manual costs $120.00 and is available only for
download. It is a secure document and cannot be printed as a PDF, it can
be printed to hard-copy.<br>
<br>
Based on G3.1.3.2 and the Advance Energy Modeling manual extract below, my
understanding is that the baseline system can only use one source of fuel for
the HVAC systems and the baseline boiler plant for system 5 shall use the same
type of fuel as the proposed. Does ASHRAE consider electricity as a
fuel? In the 90.1-2004 definitions fuel is defined as 'a material that
may be used to produce heat or generate power by combustion'.<br>
<br>
Another example of the lack of coordination between LEED and ASHRAE 90.1. <br>
<br>
If I understand your design correctly, your DOAS is using a natural gas furnace
and you have a VRV system for the space heating and cooling requirements.
So your actual proposed heating source is electricity with a small secondary
natural gas use to precondition the outside air. Since LEED says you
cannot have two energy sources for the HVAC systems in the baseline, your
reviewer is requesting that you use the proposed predominate source for the
baseline.<br>
<br>
Would it not increase your energy savings to do as the reviewer requests?<br>
<br>
Paul Diglio<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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"Li, Lan" <<a href="mailto:lli@sbmce.com">lli@sbmce.com</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Paul Diglio <<a
href="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net">paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Fri, July 1, 2011 10:11:03
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Equest-users] LEED
review comments for System 5 heating source<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Paul, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
Does this manual say that I would use the predominant heating source of
proposed as the source for my base? We don’t have this book in our company
library.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks a lot!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Lan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Li, PE, LEED AP BD+C</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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Buckley Mayfield LLC
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style='font-weight:bold'> Office (614) 448-1498</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b>
Paul Diglio [mailto:<a href="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net">paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net</a>]
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 01, 2011 10:07
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Li, Lan; <a
href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com">cmg750@gmail.com</a>; <a
href="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com">Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] LEED
review comments for System 5 heating source<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Lan:<br>
<br>
In the Advanced Energy Modeling for LEED Technical Manual v.1 page 28 under
ASHRAE 90.1-2004 common errors for HVAC System, primary system type, the second
error is 'Baseline HVAC systems use both fossil fuel and electricity'.<br>
<br>
I assume this is why your reviewer requested that the baseline be changed to
the predominate heating energy source that was used in the proposed model.<br>
<br>
<br>
Paul Diglio<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b>
"Li, Lan" <<a href="mailto:lli@sbmce.com">lli@sbmce.com</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Paul Diglio <<a
href="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net">paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net</a>>; <a
href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com">cmg750@gmail.com</a>; <a
href="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com">Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Fri, July 1, 2011 9:45:38 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Equest-users] LEED
review comments for System 5 heating source<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Paul, Paul and
Carol,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>This sentence just
jumps into my eyes. It is on ASHREA 90.1-2007 User’s manual page G-22. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Here is the
interception. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The performance
rating rules for the baseline building HVAC system are shown in Table G-A. This
table shows the baseline building system types, based on building type
(nonresidential or<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>residential), the
number of floors, the floor area and the heating source (electric or other).
Note that a hybrid system refers to a system with any combination of fossil and
electric heat, and the baseline system for this is a fossil fuel system.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I think I will
stick with my gun and go for it. I will keep all of you posted for the outcome
of my review. Hopefully everyone will be clear on this matter then.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Lan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Lan
Li, PE, LEED AP BD+C</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Mechanical
Engineer</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Scheeser
Buckley Mayfield LLC
</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-weight:bold'>, <st1:State w:st="on">OH</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode
w:st="on">44685</st1:PostalCode></span></b></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-weight:bold'> Office (614) 448-1498</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b>
Paul Diglio [mailto:<a href="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net">paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net</a>]
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:48
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Li, Lan; <a
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] LEED
review comments for System 5 heating source<o:p></o:p></p>
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90.1-2007 requires a system 5 with a fossil fuel hot water boiler as you have
modeled, but in 90.1-2007 Table G3.1 Number 10 HVAC Systems Base Building
Performance column it states that you need to meet any system-specific
requirements in Section G3.1.3.<br>
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In G3.1.3.2, it states that for system 5, the boiler plant shall use the same
fuel as the proposed design, which in your case is electric resistance and
compressor heat pump energy. I would model electric hot water boilers.<br>
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Paul Diglio<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thu, June 30, 2011 4:24:27
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Equest-users] LEED
review comments for System 5 heating source<o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I just got LEED
review comments for my project. Our proposed design is VRF system with roof top
unit providing ventilation air. Roof top unit is using gas as heating source.
There are misc. elec. heaters in the building for places like entries. I
interpreted my building heating source as “electric hybrid” and used hot water
fossil fuel boiler as my base design. The comments I got read as the follows:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><i><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-style:italic'>Section 1.1.A of the form indicates that the primary heating
source is fossil fuel. However, the electric heating energy use reported in
Table EAp2-5 for the Proposed Case exceeds the fossil fuel heating energy use.
Please verify that the correct heating source has been selected. If electric
heating is the primary heating source, please change the Baseline system type
accordingly. Provide updated simulation results and a revised Prerequisite Form
as necessary.</span></font></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I
couldn’t find an official definition either on LEED reference book or 90.1.
What is your take on this?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Your
input is highly appreciated! Thank you very much!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Lan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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