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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Bill and Maria, thanks for adding
to the discussion!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Maria, my apologies: I recall
you and I delved deeply into what the ARI standards do and don’t
explicitly say on this issue, and I feel sorry for forgetting to express this parallel
viewpoint. I believe you and I ultimately agreed to disagree on this
particular issue. For others’ benefit, here is a small excerpt I’d
like to share where I think I drew the line as clearly as I can:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:.5in'>To put it
another way: I immediately recognize that the approach you're describing, which
sticks to 365W/1000CFM on the EIR/HIR calculations while imposing the
calculated Pfan separately, is advantageous from a performance rating
perspective in that it maintains "realistic" fan-exclusive cooling
and heating efficiencies (EIR/HIR), but it also tosses the idea of a
"whole system" efficiency (like SEER) representing the total of fan
and other energies - a reality your proposed systems are naturally representing
if you're working from real-world equipment cutsheets. I'm all for adopting
procedures that boost my modeled performances, but could you reconcile this
concern?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Ultimately, it’s a
question of whether one feels the calculated system fan energies (i.e. Pfan) should
or should not be used to ensure the prescribed whole-system efficiency is
maintained. Maintaining the system efficiency while sticking with system fan
power as prescribed may result in “unrealistically efficient”
heating or cooling. You must give from one end or the other when you take
either approach.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Personally, I am comfortable and
content to stick with the approach I’ve described, as I feel the overall
system efficiency is the more explicit mandate. Simultaneously, I do not begrudge
anyone for taking an approach to calculate EIR/HIR values using varying fan
powers, but I’ll also maintain the approach I describe will result in more
efficient (if occasionally “unrealistic”) baseline performance (to
the detriment of the final performance rating). If one thing’s clear, it’s
that 90.1 is not clear on this issue =)! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><br>
I would much rather encourage all interested parties to read up on the ARI
testing procedures (see attached discussion with links from Maria), consider
both sides, and make a personal decision. The best position is the one you can
defend, and I personally see both sides as quite defensible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Maria Karpman
[mailto:maria.karpman@karpmanconsulting.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Bill Talbert'; Nick Caton; 'Christian Kaltreider';
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Separating Fan Energy from EER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Bill, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I agree that the fan power at
ARI conditions, and not the Appendix G baseline fan power (#2 in Nick’s
email) should be used to calculate EIR. Using the method that Nick described
may create various anomalies, for example negative baseline EIR in instances
where Appendix G baseline fan power is high due to allowed pressure drop
adjustments from Table 6.5.3.1.1B. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Maria <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill
Talbert<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton; Christian Kaltreider; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Separating Fan Energy from EER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Nick and Christian,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The 90.1 prescriptive
performance values for unitary equipment are based on ARI rated conditions. The
90.1 baseline fan power allowance does not directly align with the fan energy
used in the ARI test. The fan energy in the ARI test is based on 365 W/1000 CFM
and 400 CFM/12000 Btu/h. I believe you should use your baseline system
equipment capacity (Btu/h or KW) to calculate the amount of fan energy to
‘extract’ from the cooling equipment EER/SEER/COP rather than the
90.1 baseline fan power allowance as indicated below in step 4. If you use the
90.1 baseline fan power allowance, you could be removing a larger fan power
value, making the cooling equipment more efficient in the baseline than the
tested performance requires.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Also, the ARI tests are based on
specific temperature conditions so you may need to adjust for project specific
design conditions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick
Caton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 11, 2011 9:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Christian Kaltreider; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Separating Fan Energy from EER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi Christian,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>USGBC/LEED/90.1 does not
officially sanction or require any eQuest-specific procedure (nor any other
program), so ultimately it falls on the modelers to know what the heck
we’re doing and be able to defend it in cases like this. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>As a qualifier, not all
efficiency ratings are fan-energy-inclusive. For those that are, the
procedure I follow (using a spreadsheet) is to basically:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Using the maximum
design capacity, translate the prescribed/scheduled efficiency from SEER/EER to
kW input at maximum capacity. You may have noticed there’s more
than one SEER equation out there… For seasonal efficiencies (SEER/AFUE),
there are various formulae for conversion to steady-state efficiencies
(EER/COP) that vary based on what kind of equipment you’re dealing
with. You’ll also find that certain equipment like heatpumps have
multiple equations referenced, as there are multiple white papers published
over the decades that attempt to establish a relationship between nominal
seasonal efficiency and steady-state efficiency, where each study sampled
different equipment from a different period of time. What does this mean
for today’s LEED modeler? <u>There are multiple right answers</u>
(provided you know where you’re coming from). To give a more
concrete response on this point, here are the equations I have collected and
currently use for baseline system seasonal efficiencies (with references):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b><span
style='color:black'>EER=f(SEER):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><i><u><a
href="http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/publications/pdfs/%20building_america/house_simulation_revised.pdf"><span
style='color:windowtext'>[Reference: NREL Building America House Simulation
Protocol (Revised), citing Wassmer, M. (2003). A Component-Based Model for
Residential Air Conditioner and Heat Pump Energy Calculations.]</span></a><o:p></o:p></u></i></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span
style='color:black'>(AC) (Baseline Systems #1, #3, #5 & #6):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#0070C0'>EER</span><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#0070C0'>NET</span><span style='color:#0070C0'>
= -0.0182*SEER^2 + 1.1088*SEER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span
style='color:black'>(HP-cooling) (Baseline Systems #2 & #4):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#0070C0'>EER</span><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#0070C0'>NET</span><span style='color:#0070C0'>
= -0.02*SEER^2 + 1.1268*SEER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b><span
style='color:black'>COP=f(HSPF):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><i><u>[Reference: Wassmer, M. (2003). A Component-Based
Model for Residential Air Conditioner and Heat Pump Energy Calculations.
Masters Thesis, University of Colorado at Boulder.]<o:p></o:p></u></i></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span
style='color:black'>(HP-heating) (Baseline Systems #2 & #4):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:red'>COP</span><span style='font-size:
8.0pt;color:red'>NET</span><span style='color:red'> = -0.0255*HSPF^2 +
0.6239*HSPF<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b><span
style='color:black'>HIR = f(AFUE):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><i><u>[Reference: California Energy Commission's 2005
"Nonresidential Alternative Calculation Method (ACM) Approval
Manual"]<o:p></o:p></u></i></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span
style='color:black'>For single packaged central furnace (baseline system #3):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#00B050'>HIR = (.005163*AFUE+0.4033)^-1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span
style='color:black'>For Boilers where 75 AFUE < 80 (Baseline systems #1,
#5 ):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#00B050'>HIR = (0.1*AFUE+72.5)^-1*100<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span
style='color:black'>For Boilers where 80 AFUE < 100 (Baseline systems
#1, #5 ):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#00B050'>HIR = (0.875*AFUE+10.5)^-1*100<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>*Note: The cited references
above are freely accessible on the internet, last time I checked. If
anyone has a “better” equation to suggest, (knowing where the
equation came from), please share! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>For baseline
systems, calculate the system fan energy Pfan. For proposed systems, calculate
the actual system fan energy in kW.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Using the system fan
design airflow(s), enter the calculated fan energy as kW/CFM under airside
systems tab.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Subtract #2 from the
cooling “kW input” in #1 – this is the “other-than-fan
energy.” Using the design cooling capacity for the system, turn
that into an EIR figure for input in the model.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Those who make the effort to
understand what’s happening have the right idea. Relying on
others’ work and tools without fundamental understanding on occasion is
necessary, but it’s a slippery slope to be sure. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Best of luck to you!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Christian
Kaltreider<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 11, 2011 7:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Separating Fan Energy from EER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>There are strings about this
subject in the archives, but they do not fully answer my questions and I am not
able to open some of the key attachments. Here is my question: Is
there a LEED-accepted method for separating out fan energy from an EER? I
am looking for how this can be done without eQUEST doing some behind-the-scenes
calculations/assumptions. There is an equation that was given in a former
string, but I don’t know its source or whether it is an accepted method
by the reviewing committee. Again, I am looking to be able to show how
this is done by hand…not how to get eQUEST to do it for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks very much for your help,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Christian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Christian Kaltreider, LEED AP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Energy Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Sud Associates, PA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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