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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul - thanks for raising that. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Lan- If your ‘misc. elec. heaters’ are in zones that are also served by your VRF system, then they are akin to baseboards and should not be modeled in your Baseline. If they are in zones separate from your VRF, then you might have to revisit G3.1.1 and the exceptions to see if those zones qualify for separate system(s). If they are electric resistance heating in vestibules, restrooms, or stairwells, those cases are fuzzy to me and I need to do more research. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#5F574F'>Paul Riemer, PE, LEED AP</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#C4262E'>DUNHAM</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#5F574F'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Paul Diglio [mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 01, 2011 9:07 AM<br><b>To:</b> Li, Lan; cmg750@gmail.com; Paul Riemer<br><b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] LEED review comments for System 5 heating source<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Lan:<br><br>In the Advanced Energy Modeling for LEED Technical Manual v.1 page 28 under ASHRAE 90.1-2004 common errors for HVAC System, primary system type, the second error is 'Baseline HVAC systems use both fossil fuel and electricity'.<br><br>I assume this is why your reviewer requested that the baseline be changed to the predominate heating energy source that was used in the proposed model.<br><br><br>Paul Diglio<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> "Li, Lan" <lli@sbmce.com><br><b>To:</b> Paul Diglio <paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net>; cmg750@gmail.com; Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com<br><b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Sent:</b> Fri, July 1, 2011 9:45:38 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] LEED review comments for System 5 heating source</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>Paul, Paul and Carol,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>This sentence just jumps into my eyes. It is on ASHREA 90.1-2007 User’s manual page G-22. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>Here is the interception. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Z@RDE.tmp","serif";color:black'>The performance rating rules for the baseline building HVAC system are shown in Table G-A. This table shows the baseline building system types, based on building type (nonresidential or</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Z@RDE.tmp","serif";color:black'>residential), the number of floors, the floor area and the heating source (electric or other). Note that </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Z@RDE.tmp","serif";color:red'>a hybrid system refers to a system with any combination of fossil and electric heat, and the baseline system for this is a fossil fuel system.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>I think I will stick with my gun and go for it. I will keep all of you posted for the outcome of my review. Hopefully everyone will be clear on this matter then.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>Lan</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif";color:blue'>Lan Li, PE, LEED AP BD+C</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif";color:#7030A0'>Mechanical Engineer</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif";color:blue'>Scheeser Buckley Mayfield LLC</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif";color:blue'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif";color:blue'>1540 Corporate Woods Parkway</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif";color:blue'>Uniontown, OH 44685</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif";color:blue'>Phone: (330) 896-4664 ext. 123</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif";color:blue'>Fax: (330) 896-9180</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif";color:blue'>Cell:(330) 904-6292</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif";color:blue'> </span></strong><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:blue'><a href="mailto:lli@sbmce.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif"'>lli@sbmce.com</span></a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:blue'><a href="http://www.sbmce.com/"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.sbmce.com</span></a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:blue'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif";color:blue'>Columbus Office (614) 448-1498</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#008040'>ü</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#008040'>Please consider the environment before printing this email.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:blue'>This e-mail (including any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. 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If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies of this message and any attachments. </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:blue'>Thank you</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Paul Diglio [mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> Li, Lan; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] LEED review comments for System 5 heating source</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Lan:<br><br>90.1-2007 requires a system 5 with a fossil fuel hot water boiler as you have modeled, but in 90.1-2007 Table G3.1 Number 10 HVAC Systems Base Building Performance column it states that you need to meet any system-specific requirements in Section G3.1.3.<br><br>In G3.1.3.2, it states that for system 5, the boiler plant shall use the same fuel as the proposed design, which in your case is electric resistance and compressor heat pump energy. I would model electric hot water boilers.<br><br>Paul Diglio</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> "Li, Lan" <lli@sbmce.com><br><b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Sent:</b> Thu, June 30, 2011 4:24:27 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] LEED review comments for System 5 heating source</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Dear eQuesters,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I just got LEED review comments for my project. Our proposed design is VRF system with roof top unit providing ventilation air. Roof top unit is using gas as heating source. There are misc. elec. heaters in the building for places like entries. I interpreted my building heating source as “electric hybrid” and used hot water fossil fuel boiler as my base design. The comments I got read as the follows:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Section 1.1.A of the form indicates that the primary heating source is fossil fuel. However, the electric heating energy use reported in Table EAp2-5 for the Proposed Case exceeds the fossil fuel heating energy use. Please verify that the correct heating source has been selected. If electric heating is the primary heating source, please change the Baseline system type accordingly. Provide updated simulation results and a revised Prerequisite Form as necessary.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I couldn’t find an official definition either on LEED reference book or 90.1. What is your take on this?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Your input is highly appreciated! Thank you very much!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Lan</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif"'>Lan Li, PE, LEED AP BD+C</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif";color:#7030A0'>Mechanical Engineer</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif"'>Scheeser Buckley Mayfield LLC</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif"'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif"'>1540 Corporate Woods Parkway</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif"'>Uniontown, OH 44685</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif"'>Phone: (330) 896-4664 ext. 123</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif"'>Fax: (330) 896-9180</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif"'>Cell:(330) 904-6292</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif"'> </span></strong><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="mailto:lli@sbmce.com"><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif"'>lli@sbmce.com</span></b></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://www.sbmce.com/"><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.sbmce.com</span></b></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b> </b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd","serif"'>Columbus Office (614) 448-1498</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#008040'>ü</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#008040'>Please consider the environment before printing this email.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>This e-mail (including any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. 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