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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To muddy the waters even more: Recently I’m also seeing a huge penalty on the proposed case with systems 3 and 4 being required to use airside economizers. If one cannot lump the computer, elec/idf room AC equipment into process loads and it is not feasible to place airside economizers on the proposed equipment is there a way around this? Perhaps the answer is modeling active humidity control in these spaces which would in turn penalize the base case systems. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rob Hudson<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> Nick Caton; Andy Phelps; Will Mak; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modeling Typical IT Rooms AC Units<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>To add to all the fun and confusion, i had this same conversation a few weeks ago with other LEED people in my office. My interpretation is that equipment rack room and IT closets fall into an exception of 90.1, more specifically Section G3.1.1 Baseline HVAC System Type and Description:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Exception b. If the baseline HVAC system is type 5, 6, 7 or 8, use separate single zone systems ... for any spaces that have occupancy or process loads or schedules that differ significantly. ... Examples where this exception may be applicable include, but are not limited to, computer server rooms, ...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Per this statement, you need to model the IT HVAC equipment as its own system type 3/4 and give it the appropriate efficiencies. Unfortunately this means that most LEED models with IT spaces that are small get penalties due to the equipment, as everyone has suggested.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hope this sheds more light!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--Rob<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Nick Caton <<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>I should be quick to emphasize: I’m only relating some personal experience here for others’ benefit and to constructively add to the discussion. I appreciate James’s perspective and accept there are probably a few good reasons for the way things are in the world of DX data center cooling, considering the environment and physical limitations. It seems obvious to me that 90.1 was not built to consider minimum efficiencies for this sort of equipment/environment, but that won’t stop others from trying to enforce the standard in spite of my opinions. The section 2.3 reference is starting to make a lot of sense from this angle…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>That said, I don’t think it’s entirely unreasonable to expect some progress from the commercial industry either. For smallish IT closets these days, perhaps a residential split with a high EER/SEER is really the way to go. For larger cases requiring high-static distribution or heavier capacities, I’m only advising that it never hurts to take stock of who/what’s out there and what might fit the budget/performance/efficiency requirements for the situation at hand. If nothing truly “fits the bill,” at least we can rest easy knowing that’s the case and not wonder whether we missed a better option.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>An extra bit for Will and others considering HVAC systems as “process loads:” this isn’t always so tricky as it might seem =)! Rather than construe a custom fractional schedule to approximate the system’s energy consumption (like a plug load), there’s another approach: submeter these systems and report separately on the LEED template… Report PS-B will show the monthly consumptions/demands for the submeters after setting it all up. Following are some quick/rough screengrabs illustrating the concept/setup:</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=732 height=541 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image002.png@01CC3587.79478890"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=732 height=541 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image003.png@01CC3587.79478890"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=1052 height=651 id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image004.png@01CC3587.79478890"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>~Nick</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=119 height=37 id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image005.jpg@01CC3587.79478890" alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:#2D4D5E'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, P.E.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'>SENIOR ENGINEER</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>Smith & Boucher Engineers</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway, suite 200</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>olathe, ks 66061</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>direct <a href="tel:913.344.0036" target="_blank">913.344.0036</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>fax <a href="tel:913.345.0617" target="_blank">913.345.0617</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.smithboucher.com" target="_blank" title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'> </span></u><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andy Phelps<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> Will Mak; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modeling Typical IT Rooms AC Units</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Will:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>I couldn’t agree more with you on Section 2.3. However, what matters is not what I think, but the LEED/USGBC review team. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>In my experience, I’ve modeled data rooms in offices as a System 3/4 for the baseline and as scheduled for the design case. I’ve modeled small rooms with a mini-split DX unit, and also for larger rooms with CRAC style units (Liebert, DataAire, etc). I haven’t had any issues with this in the review process. In addition, from some internet research, it appears that architects/engineers are getting large-scale data centers certified, so they must be wanting us to split data center HVAC usage from server/process usage. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Sorry that I do not have any more insight than this, but I do understand your frustration with data rooms/centers and applicability to 90.1. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>I would also point you to some addenda for 90.1 that does mention data centers and outlines some requirements (addenda BU). It looks like these Liebert units would meet the requirements for efficiency in this addenda. For the purposes of LEED certification, I would caution to read all addenda, since LEED doesn’t let you pick and choose addenda, there may be some addenda out there that might hurt your energy savings percentage. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Andy</span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> James Hansen [mailto:<a href="mailto:JHANSEN@ghtltd.com" target="_blank">JHANSEN@ghtltd.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> Will Mak; Nick Caton<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Modeling Typical IT Rooms AC Units</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Liebert is no less efficient than any of the other computer grade self-contained units out there. The problem is that the units have to fit the niche that has been created for them. They need to be no more than 3’ deep to work with typical server room design, they have to generally have high static fans to pressurize under floor systems, and they have to be fully serviced from the front of the unit. All of these have implications on the evaporator / condenser coil layout, and thus efficiency. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>There are certainly things that you can do to improve computer grade AC unit design (like using the ECM motors that have been popping up for a lot of manufacturers, and playing around with higher space temperatures), but ultimately, you’re never going to have a Liebert (or Stulz, etc) unit with an EER of 18. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Also, in almost all cases, the efficiencies you are getting from the manufacturer or manufacturer’s rep are probably based on the abnormal operating conditions of a server room (68, 70, 72 degrees) – make sure you are properly accounting for this in eQuest, as these are not ARI conditions. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:teal'>GHT Limited<br></span><span style='color:black'>James Hansen, PE, LEED AP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Senior Associate</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:black'>1010 N. Glebe Rd, Suite 200</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:black'>Arlington, VA 22201-4749</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:black'><a href="tel:703-338-5754" target="_blank">703-338-5754</a> (Cell)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:black'><a href="tel:703-243-1200" target="_blank">703-243-1200</a> (Office)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:black'><a href="tel:703-276-1376" target="_blank">703-276-1376</a> (Fax)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:teal'><a href="http://www.ghtltd.com/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.ghtltd.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Will Mak</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:47 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Modeling Typical IT Rooms AC Units<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hey all,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I’m working on a LEED energy model for an office building that has a couple standard sized data rooms for server storage. They will be served by a couple air cooled Liebert units. I started inputting information about the units in the proposed design model and requested EER information from our vendor. The EER value was provided but also pointed me towards ASHRAE 90.1-2007 Section 2.3 as the reason why EER values aren’t typically provided for these types of units (he claims the cooling of the server rooms would be considered process cooling):</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ASHRAE 90.1-2007 Section 2.3 - The provisions of this standard do not apply to:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>a.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Single-family houses, multi-family structures of three stories or fewer above grade, manufactured houses (mobile homes), and manufactured houses (modular)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>b.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Buildings that do not use either electricity or fossil fuel, or</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>c.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Equipment and portions of building systems that use energy primarily to provide for industrial, manufacturing, or commercial processes</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I’ve typically model the scheduled units on the proposed design model and System Type 3 or 4 on baseline model. 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