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<font size="+1">Here is some information from OSHA,
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.osha.gov/dts/osta/otm/legionnaires/hotwater.html#alternative">http://www.osha.gov/dts/osta/otm/legionnaires/hotwater.html#alternative</a>
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The main problem is the cooler areas of the tanks, and electric
tanks due to the layout of the heating elements present the
largest hazard. Fired equipment because the heating is from the
bottom will disinfect themselves if set at 140F but that still
leaves the lines which operate at lower temperatures due to
scalding dangers. Proper chlorination is effective if you have
residual chlorine through out the system. This is why cooling
towers are such a problem, with all the crud in the air the
residual chlorine is neutralized very quickly and is just coming
from the make-up water. This is why they need their own stand
alone systems to control Legionella. A contaminated cooling tower
can spread Legionella in a radius of 5 miles around the tower.
Shower heads are another danger area, not just from Legionella and
should be disinfected regularly.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nhs.uk/news/2009/09September/Pages/Showerheadsandlungdisease.aspx">http://www.nhs.uk/news/2009/09September/Pages/Showerheadsandlungdisease.aspx</a><br>
Legionella has been on the radar since 1976 and studies,
recommendations and good hygiene have reduced the outbreaks. The
bacteria is everywhere in low levels. HVAC systems and domestic
hot water systems offer many potential sites to breed super
colonies. It is not a new or super bug. By poor practices we are
concentrating it. Their favourite temperature is 90 to 95F. When
there is an outbreak, on average 12% of the infected people will
die.<br>
Note that OSHA recommends hot water circulation pumps be run
continuously and not be included in energy conservation measures.<br>
Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
Abode Engineering<br>
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On 02/06/2011 05:25 PM, Paul Diglio wrote:
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font-size: 10pt;">Mark:<br>
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I would be interested to hear what the public health researcher
has to say.<br>
<br>
It is my understanding that Legionella forms in untreated
cooling tower water. I have not caught it yet even though I
have serviced and treated many scummy open cooling towers.<br>
<br>
I have never heard of it being in the public domestic water
supply.<br>
<br>
Paul Diglio<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Bruce
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windowtext;">Yikes! Is Legionella actually growing in
chlorinated public domestic water supplies? I recall
hearing of it in non-potable water (cooling towers and
drain pans, anyone?)… strong bugs we make these days.</span></p>
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amendments) requires the use of temperature mixing
valves in domestic hot water supplies, so you could,
theoretically, run 160F water all the way to the
fixture (or bank of fixtures) and temper it there, but
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Easterbrook<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 02, 2011 4:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Carol Gardner<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tai Lieu;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] DHW Savings
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">A
caution to the maximum storage temperature for hot
water. Legionella bacteria show no growth above
135F/57C. A 140F/60C tank setting can leave portions
of the water system at risk of contamination. In
electric water heaters with a 60C setting 40% of
heaters remained contaminated in one study. This is
at the heat source, what about further down the
lines? Multi-unit or multi story apartments. This
contamination is not typically found in gas or oil
fired units set at 140, but their lines are still
susceptible to contamination. 140 should be treated
as the minimum storage temperature. Scalding is
definitely a problem but care is required to address
both problems in the building you are designing. With
larger buildings I will start at 160 at the tank and
then start looking at the whole system design. WHO
recommends the tap temperature to be 120F, so to a
designer that is the furthest outlet.<br>
<span><a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank"
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Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
Abode Engineering<br>
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On 02/06/2011 02:39 PM, Carol Gardner wrote: </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Thanks,
Aaron, for providing much more detail than me. You have
covered it very well. For inlet cold water temperatures
I have always seen 50-55 F provided as the average temp:
it may be hotter in the summer and colder in the winter
but overall I think those work. <br>
<br>
Carol</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:17 AM,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Tai:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">In general, I tend to
follow the procedure laid out in WEc3 for the hot
water savings from low-flow fixtures. I’ve found
their calculation procedure for total flow
(gallons / year) to be accepted by LEED reviewers.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">This does not address
water flow from fixtures outside the WEc3 scope,
like service sinks, so the ASHRAE handbook or a
reasonably documented project-specific assumption
sounds like the way to go to get total water use
per year for these fixtures.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Like you mentioned,
this also does not specify the water temperatures,
which are needed for the calc. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Different hot water
uses in a building often have different
temperature needs (ie handwashing, dishwashing,
showers, etc), so even if we know the total water
use for each of these fixtures, we’d need to get
the expected discharge temperature of each use in
order to figure out how much hot water is
required.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Most of the time I get
the temperatures I need from the project plumbing
engineer, who has a better familiarity with these
targets than I do.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">If you don’t have
access to a plumbing engineer – </p>
<p>-<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family:
"serif";"> </span>For the
inlet cold water temp, per the eQUEST dictionary,
if you don’t specify the temp eQUEST uses the
monthly average ground temp. I hope this would be
available via an hourly report, although I haven’t
checked.</p>
<p>-<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family:
"serif";"> </span>For the
discharge hot water temp, various plumbing codes
(IPC, NPC) specify limits on the hot water temp to
prevent scalding, and I’ve seen engineers take a
factor off of that to estimate the average hot
water use temp. I’ve heard 110 deg F for showers
and 105 deg F for lavs in our office. Service
sinks might have something higher (say 120?).</p>
<p>-<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family:
"serif";"> </span>For the
water storage temp, this is also something that
should be obtainable from the plumbing engineer.
As a starting point I’ve heard 120 – 140 deg F in
our office as well. I believe the IPC limits the
maximum storage water temp to 140.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">This should enable you
to calculate the quantity (gal / year) of hot
water leaving the water heater to serve the annual
total flow needed.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Finally, you need to
turn the gallons HW / year into a GPM
PROCESS-FLOW, if you’re inputting into eQUEST. One
way to do this is to take whatever use-schedule
you had been using (ie eQUEST’s default, ASHRAE
90.1-2007 User Manual’s, or project-specific) and
integrate it, to determine the annual total
equivalent full load hours. Dividing total annual
gallons by annual full-load hours (and converting
units), you should be able to arrive at a GPM to
enter as a process flow.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Yours,</p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] DHW Savings LEED
NC 2.2</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Hello All<br>
<br>
We're being audited on the energy model for
the dhw saving. I'm just wondering if this
make sense and from your experience if it
would be acceptable to the LEED reviewer.<br>
<br>
What I've done is taken numbers from ASHRAE
Handbook HVAC Applications DHW consumption per
fixture for office use.<br>
7.6 L / hr for lavatory fixtures<br>
<br>
Showers, kitchen sinks, and Lavatory sinks.<br>
Service sinks I'm not quite sure whether i
should include all 5 service sinks (one on
each level) or just one sinks since there
won't be any mopping done since most of the
building Under floor air distribution and i'll
do a write up of course to explain my
reasoning.<br>
<br>
I took the consumptions per fixture numbers
multiplied by the amount of fixture then by
the demand factor given.<br>
<br>
7.6 L/h x 55 # of fixtures x 0.3 demand factor<br>
<br>
for each type i took the savings percentage
based on each fixture. So baseline is 2.5 and
proposed case is .5 for lavatory fixtures<br>
<br>
.5 proposed case / 2.5 base case<br>
<br>
So the proposed domestic hot water demand is
25.08 L / hr or 0.11 gpm.<br>
<br>
The reviewer had asked for percentage of hot
water vs cold water, and temperature at the
fixtures, i found that harder to
substantiate. So I thought this process would
be a lot better.<br clear="all">
<br>
Tai Lieu</p>
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