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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Praveen,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>There is a rationale that ASHRAE 90.1 does not allow tradeoffs between buildings. So if you are using a model to demonstrate compliance with 90.1, you need a model of each building separately.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So for LEED 2009, can the EAp2 10% savings requirement be met in aggregate or does it have to be met on each building independently?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Surely someone has answered that somewhere. Look in the big book. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If aggregate is okay, then I wonder if each building needs to individually state or demonstrate compliance with 90.1?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>(or should we forget we thought of that question?)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for getting me thinking about this. I have a multiple building project on the back burner and maybe I can use this to nudge them. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#5F574F'>Paul Riemer, PE, LEED AP</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#C4262E'>DUNHAM</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#5F574F'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Demba Ndiaye<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> Praveen Jain<br><b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] ASHRAE90.1 Baseline System<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Praveen, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Assuming you are applying for LEED 2009, you might consult the “2010 LEED Application Guide for Multiple Buildings and On-Campus Building Projects”.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This document is available here <a href="https://www.usgbc.org/ShowFile.aspx?DocumentID=7987">https://www.usgbc.org/ShowFile.aspx?DocumentID=7987</a>.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There is also another Guide that was published in 2005 I believe and that apply to earlier versions of LEED. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>______________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Demba NDIAYE<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Easterbrook<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> Praveen Jain<br><b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] ASHRAE90.1 Baseline System<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have yet to try what you are doing but you would need to treat each building separately. The number of floors in the building will determine your baseline building as Nick pointed out. Your method to deliver conditioned air to each zone in each building is going to be separate even though you may use a plant to provide for example, hot and cold water to both buildings. I haven't looked ahead to see if you are going to run into a system type conflict between the 2 buildings but if you do just use common sense and determine what is the best way to go to maximize energy efficiency. None of the "rules" are written in stone. They are bendable if you have a good argument and can back it up with hard data which eQuest will give you.<br>Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>Abode Engineering<br><br>On 26/05/2011 12:07 AM, Praveen Jain wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks for your reply<br><br>Nick, I have created both building in one single model to take benefit of shading of building also as one single leed project.<br>I am still not able to decide while choosing baseline building; number of floors should be sum of all floor in project or maximum number of floor of building.<br><br>--<br>With Regards<br>Praveen<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Nick Caton <<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>That’s what I’d do (but I’d also ask the lists to be sure)!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The only real distinction (and potential for a problem) here is that you have two buildings in one model. Provided you continue to treat each building separately, both in building your baseline and in documentation, I don’t see any base reason why a reviewer would reject the models.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Can anyone share a successful 2-building-1-model submittal experience to confirm this alone isn’t an issue?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><img border=0 width=119 height=37 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CC1B83.A332C160" alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b> </b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>PROJECT ENGINEER<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Smith & Boucher Engineers<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>25501 west valley parkway<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>olathe ks 66061<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>direct 913 344.0036<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>fax 913 345.0617<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://www.smithboucher.com">www.smithboucher.com</a><u> </u><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>varun kulkarni<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> Praveen Jain<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] ASHRAE90.1 Baseline System<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Prateek,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The first column for table G3.1.1A says for Non residential 5 floors or less and 25,000 SF to 150,000 SF. I think your sytem should fall under this and so Baseline System 6 should be the right choice. I dont know if adding the floors on the two buildings is a good idea !! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Anyone else in support or in disagreement with my comment ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Praveen Jain <<a href="mailto:praveenjain83@gmail.com">praveenjain83@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I am working on a project which has two towers within the same LEED boundary. One tower is 3 stories and another is 4 stories. Total conditioned area of the project is 70000 ft<sup>2</sup>. Heating type of my project is Electric.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In this case, what can be project baseline system? Should I choose baseline system 6 or baseline System 8?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks in Advance<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br clear=all><br>-- <br>with regards,<br>Praveen K. Jain<br>Roorkee<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Equest-users mailing list<br><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org</a><br>To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <a href="mailto:EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG">EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><br clear=all><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><p>Thanks and Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p><p>Varun Kulkarni , M.S. , EIT<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Note: Please do not print, unless required.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br>with regards,<br>Praveen K. 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