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i used to not separate them out either but 2 leed reviews ago i
received a comment about it. being active about it i just did my next
submittal with it broken out & then found out (via a cir from 2007)
that the reason they're asking is the reviewers want to make sure
credit is only taken for the tradable exterior lighting power.
exterior non-tradable lighting power is energy neutral. i.e. you can't
use the designed, lower than leed allowed non-tradable in the proposed
model and the higher 90.1 allowable in the baseline. makes no sense to
me what so ever. as far as i'm aware non-tradable means just that -
you can't trade it for higher lighting power elsewhere, not that when
simulated you can't claim credit for using less than what is allowable.<br>
<br>
but the cir says otherwise, along with 10 or so other things. april
25, 2007. also noted in the advanced energy modeling guide for leed
common errors section on page 27, last row, last bullet item,
"Nontradable surfaces are not modeled with lesser of nontradable
surface and installed lighting power for each nontradable surface, as
required."<br>
<br>
without wanting to change the topic to water savings note question 9
(they put in 11 questions in one cir), if you didn't know you can't
claim energy savings due to using low flow fixtures. so if you're
using less hot water you can't reduce the amount of water circulated to
claim credit on the electrical (and/or gas) side of things.<br>
<br>
cir from april 25, 2007 states 2 important things:<br>
Inquiry Number: 5261<br>
MPR/Prerequisite/Credit: EAc1: Optimize Energy Performance<br>
Posting date: 4/25/2007<br>
<br>
[REVISED 10/30/07 to allow energy savings for exterior lighting.] ... <br>
<br>
question:<br>
7. Exterior Lighting Will USGBC for LEED 2.2 allow credit for exterior
lighting that is more efficient than the new mandatory provision for
exterior lighting in 90.1-2004 section 9.4. Appendix G does not address
how exterior lighting should be modeled for the baseline, and therefore
the default is that it should be modeled the same as the design and no
credit for savings could be taken<br>
<br>
answer:<br>
7. Yes, project teams can take credit for efficient exterior lighting
within ASHRAE 90.1 Appendix G. Credit may only be taken for the
tradable surfaces listed in ASHRAE 90.1-2004 Table 9.4.5. All other
exterior lighting must be modeled identically in the Baseline and
Proposed case. The Baseline case exterior lighting power allowance
should be calculated using the methodology outline in Section 9.4.5.<br>
<br>
question:<br>
9. DHW Usage Reduction Will USGBC for LEED 2.2. allow the approach to
claim domestic hot water energy cost reduction based on low flow
fixtures, relative to EPACT standard allowed fixture flows from earlier
LEED 2.1 rulings. Another approach would be to adopt 90.1-2004 addendum
a) revision to Table 3.1 Baseline 11. labeled as a revision to G4.3
under the older numbering convention. <br>
<br>
answer:<br>
9. No. Credit for saving water is already granted in the Water
Efficiency section of the LEED Rating System. The Domestic Hot Water
(DHW) loop will be sized for design flows and the PRM does not allow
credit for changing loop flows for DHW. <br>
<br>
<br>
On 5/23/11 11:12 AM, Nick Caton wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Interesting!
I feel I should share some contrary
experience, since it may save you guys some time in the future =): <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I’ve
never separately metered tradable vs. non-tradable exterior
lighting within the model itself, nor been asked to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
am however used to submitting my interior/exterior LPD calculations
(via COMcheck or excel spreadsheet) alongside the other documentation,
and
entering those tallies into the model. These separate calculations do
distinguish tradable vs. non-tradable, as well as any
exemptions/allowances used,
so perhaps that’s why I’ve never been asked to separately
meter/report within the model.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Stylus BT","sans-serif"; color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">NICK
CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span
style="font-family: "Stylus BT","sans-serif"; color: rgb(45, 77, 94);"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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ENGINEER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: windowtext;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: windowtext;">
Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr.
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:poleary1969@gmail.com">mailto:poleary1969@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 23, 2011 10:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] input parameters for area lights
and
miscellaneous equipments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">just don't forget, for leed purposes, to break
out the
exterior lighting into tradable and non-tradable by putting them on
different
meters. you can't do this in wizard mode though, only the detailed
mode.<br>
<br>
On 5/23/11 7:53 AM, Nick Caton wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Soham
and Kirti,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Exterior
lighting:
W/SF as entered in the wizards is multiplied by the
corresponding shell’s area in which you’re assigning it.
Quirky, but if you keep that in mind you can avoid the extra step of
correcting
in detailed. It’s an easy mistake to enter installed Watts or kW in
the wizard (that seems intuitive to me also). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Miscellaneous
loads
and LPD’s in the wizards are also handled on a W/SF basis, but for each
space. You can override the defaults if you wish to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left: 1in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">LPD
is
entered for each occupancy type, and those occupancy types are then
assigned
to each zone, if you fully utilize the DD wizards. You may be as
detailed
(or not) in assigning your occupancy types as you feel
comfortable/necessary. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left: 1in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For
miscellaneous
equipment, I suggest referencing the 90.1 User’s manual for
plug load W/SF in the context of a LEED/90.1 model. You can similarly
enter a uniform W/SF value for each occupancy type and that will
translate
straight into detailed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left: 1in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Miscellaneous
loads
beyond plug loads (ex: elevators, process equipment…) are something
I usually handled in detailed mode, where I can directly
edit/create/import the
associated scheduling and assign names I can easily
track/reference/document.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">An
extra
reminder: You can streamline the process of defining exterior lighting
schedules by saving re-useable ones in an .inp file and importing them
from
previous projects ;). More discussion in the archives if you’re
curious!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">~Nick</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><img
id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:part1.09070106.09050902@gmail.com"
alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB" border="0" height="37" width="119"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Stylus BT","sans-serif"; color: rgb(45, 77, 94);"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Stylus BT","sans-serif"; color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">NICK
CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(204, 153, 0);">PROJECT
ENGINEER</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">Smith
& Boucher Engineers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">25501
west valley parkway</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">olathe
ks 66061</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">direct
913 344.0036</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">fax
913 345.0617</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> <a
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href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Soham Babu<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 23, 2011 8:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> kirti pabrekar; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users-request@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-request@lists.onebuilding.org</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] input parameters for area lights
and miscellaneous
equipments.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Kirti,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We
can give actual exterior load by assigning it to the electric
meter as screen shot 1, before that you have to create the exterior
lighting
schedule as shown in screen shot 2 day, week & annul schedule, then
you can
assign the calculated value in electric meter in detail mode. Regarding
the
miscellaneous equipment leave eQUEST default as shown in screen shot 3
,
otherwise if you enter the value by yourself it should be same in
baseline
& proposed. Regarding LPD for Baseline ASHRAE 90.1 value & for
Proposed
Actual electrical design. I hope this helps you…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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width="321"><img id="Picture_x0020_3"
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width="292"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Kind
Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Soham
babu</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
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<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] input parameters for area lights and
miscellaneous equipments.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%;">Dear all, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%;">I have a query about
assigning the
area light values and miscellaneous equipment values in eQuest.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%;">While assigning the
area lights,
exterior loads and miscellaneous equipment loads; I input the necessary
power
densities in the wizard mode. However I have realized that, the
exterior
lighting load (w/sf) input in the Wizard mode is multiplied by the
building
area (all floors) and becomes a direct kW load on the electric meter.
This
directly resulted in very high numbers for the exterior usage in the
simulation
results. This is erroneous in my case and I have figured out a way to
correct
it by calculating the actual exterior load figure and assigning it to
the
electric meter and updating it with a necessary schedule. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%;">I was wondering if
the software
considers a similar analogy for calculating the area lights and the
miscellaneous equipment figures in the simulation results as it does
for the
exterior usage. If that is so, i am sure my results are way too wrong
or over
board. what would be correct way/s to input the area light and
miscellaneous
equipment figures. Please find attached the .INP file for your
reference. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 150%;">Thanks for your time
in
anticipation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<br>
Ar. Kirti Pramod Pabrekar.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">IGBC AP, LEED India, <br>
M. Arch,<br>
Environmental Planning and Design.<o:p></o:p></p>
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