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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Arpan, Mark and others:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In detailed mode, there are many approaches that vary from fast
to quick, with slightly different end-results. Deepika’s suggestion of forcing
low u-value is very clever and something I’ll add to my toolbox!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The absolute simplest/easiest way to eliminate heat transfer
across a surface in detailed mode is to delete it. Just let there be a “hole”
in your 3D building =)! The only thing you’re losing with that approach
(besides aesthetics?) is that an adiabatic surface has mass which will retain
heat, whereas a deleted surface has no mass… here’s a quick summary of the
various surface/partition types for reference, copied from an earlier post:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Deleted/No surface - No heat transfer, no mass [Total
disconnect]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Adiabatic – No heat transfer, Yes mass <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Standard – Yes heat transfer, Yes mass (frame/mass partitions)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Air – Yes heat transfer, No mass<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Internal – No heat transfer, Yes mass (another means of
specifying thermal mass in a space – I haven’t used this myself)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you really want an adiabatic surface (with mass), then you
can make an adiabatic surface from an external surface following the pictorial guide
I wrote up a while back (attached). This will achieve the same thing the
wizards do automatically, with additional flexibilities. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You both may be on top of this, but it bears repeating every so
often for everyone’s benefit: This and similar guides/discussions are
currently available in the mailing list archives. Every user of eQuest should have
the following bookmarked/favorite in their browser of choice!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/equest-users-onebuilding.org/"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/equest-users-onebuilding.org/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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color:#2D4D5E'>Smith & Boucher Engineers</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
color:#CC9900'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913 344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913 345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="www.smithboucher.com"
title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span></u><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Deepika<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Arpan Bakshi<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] External Adiabatic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I think the u value can be changed
to 0.001 to male the wall with almost zero heat transfer when in detailed mode.
I tried doing that n it worked. <br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Apr 27, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Arpan Bakshi <<a
href="mailto:arpanbakshi@gmail.com">arpanbakshi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Yes, the problem here is I am deep into detailed mode. Looks
like we have to crack open the text edit again.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span>Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span>Arpan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On Apr 27, 2011, at 9:55 AM, "Chris Swanson" <<a
href="mailto:cswanson@rdfa.com">cswanson@rdfa.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>See below. Nick gives a good explanation when I
posed the same question a couple weeks ago.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Chris Swanson, EI<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Mechanical Design Engineer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Roger D. Fields & Associates<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>(614) 451-2248<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>“A suggestion for you both:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>Right click any side of a shell during DD wizards at the
zone definition screen (after any custom footprint/zoning patterns) to make
that wall section “entirely adiabatic.” This sidesteps making any extra
shells/systems and avoids having to back any figures out later.
Screengrab following illustrates where I’m talking about – results in the
background. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>You can accomplish the same net effect in detailed mode
in various ways, but I think this is probably the easiest/fastest approach if
you know from the start you want to model only part of a building with exterior
exposures. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'><image001.png></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>Best of luck!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>~Nick</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='color:#1F497D'><image002.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>Smith & Boucher Engineers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce
Easterbrook<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chris Swanson<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] How to model part of a building?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:13.5pt'>You have the right idea. Depending on the
building of course, but I try to lump the part you aren't concerned about onto
one AHU, and default everything in that portion. You are only concerned
about the intersecting wall and it's condition. Add your other AHU's and
zoning for the portion you want to work on. With the one extra AHU is
makes it relatively easy to back out its numbers from the building analysis and
you are left with what you want.<br>
Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
Abode Engineering<br>
</span><br>
On 06/04/2011 10:15 AM, Chris Swanson wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hello
all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’m
looking for recommendations of how to model just one section of a building in
eQUEST. Three sides are exterior walls, while the fourth is connected to
the rest of the building, and therefore next to a conditioned space.
Would the best method be to just use two separate shells (1 – the building
“wing” I’m analyzing, 2 – the rest of the building), although I’m only
concerned with one of them? Is there a better way to do this? I’m
hoping someone can point me in the right direction. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Chris Swanson, EI</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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From: <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Arpan Bakshi<br>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:48 AM<br>
To: equest-users<br>
Subject: [Equest-users] External Adiabatic<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>I can't find this thread I remember seeing about turning
an exterior surface adiabatic where new construction meets existing building,
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