You're probably getting at the nature of the reviewer's comment better than I did, Nick. I read "over-sizing" rather that "auto-sizing" because I had just read that section in the User's Manual.<br>
<br>So basically we are doing auto-sizing but we call it "sizing runs" which we use to input the pertinent data into the baseline, e.g. kW/cfm, cooling coil size, heating coil size and/or cfm, or some combination of output from our sizing runs.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Nick Caton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">In brief, I do what Carol’s describing. I haven’t
read up on what the user’s manual might say about “manual
oversizing,” but all my baseline system capacities are auto-sized using
the same heating/cooling capacity factors described… I’ve yet to
encounter any opposition from my reviewers using this approach. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">For clarification and in contrast: baseline system efficiencies
and fan energies are not auto-sized, but rather separately calculated and
entered by hand, working from the auto-sized heating/cooling/airflow capacities
derived from a sizing run.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">If after a sizing run, incrementally adjusting heating/cooling
capacities were necessary to correct unmet hours (though I haven’t run
into that case for a long while – when it comes up it’s usually
resolved checking/fixing other items), I suppose I would intuitively adjust the
1.15/1.25 factors a bit at a time until the numbers worked out, then proceed with
the efficiency & fan calcs.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">As to a “manual” capacity oversizing approach: It’s
news to me… </span></p><div class="im">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">~Nick </span></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carol
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 20, 2011 3:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mark Darrall<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></span></p><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Where to find summary of overridden defaults
etc.</div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Just a couple of comments,
Mark. If a default was overridden, it would be you who did it so you would know
what you overrode it with. If I am misunderstanding and you just couldn't see
what the default was you can view it, usually by right clicking on the input
box.<br>
<br>
I am curious why the reviewer asked that autosizing not be done for the
baseline. I was reading my Std 90 2004 User's guide this morning and was kind
of surprised that in it they more or less suggest you need to oversize by hand.
I'm not sure why. I know that you need to be careful where you put the 15% and
25% sizing increases in eQUEST but it's relatively easy to get them in the
right spot.<br>
<br>
As a check let me know what you think of my methodology. I set the system
sizing ratio on the first screen of the Air-Side HVAC System to 1.0, and then
set the Cool Size Ratio to 1.15 on the first screen under the Cooling tab, and
the Heat Size Ratio to 1.25 of the first screen under the Heating tab. Is this
what others do?<br>
<br>
Carol</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Mark Darrall <<a href="mailto:MDarrall@a2so4.com" target="_blank">MDarrall@a2so4.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Univers LT 55"">Thanks, everyone! </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Univers LT 55""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Univers LT 55"">Don’t forget, too,
that the Appendix G requirements don’t always jive with default eQ
values. Also, my reviewer has asked that autosizing not be done for baseline,
which probably meant more overrides…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Univers LT 55""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Univers LT 55"">I appreciate the tip on
searching the .inp file. Thanks!</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Where to find summary of overridden defaults
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">If in
the baseline (and may be the proposed case), I have made changes from the
auto-sizing (and from the proposed design) to reduce the unmet hours, I count
that as default over-ridden. This is usually a small number (less than 5 if I
remember correctly).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On
Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Nick Caton <<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com" target="_blank">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Mark,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">For eQuest, I don’t believe there is any reasonable
way to tally “default overrides.” For LEED submittals,
I typically enter zeroes at the corresponding template queries, and
that’s what I’ve suggested to others for initial submittals.
I’ve heard others enter “9999” in all fields without comment,
but 0 seems less conspicuous to me =).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">There’s further discussion on this topic in the
archives – bookmark/favorite these links if you haven’t already:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If a reviewer were to push me to come up with a figure
without any specific guidance after an initial submittal, I suppose I would
paste the .inp file into a word document, ctrl+f for instances of the text
“..” without quotes, and explain that number represents an estimate
of the number of non-library entries in the project (screengrab):</span></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><b>Error! Filename not specified.</b></span></p><div class="im">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I would probably wonder about the reviewer somewhere
along the way too... Anyone familiar with eQuest and LEED knows
there’s no way to finish a 90.1-based model without a horde of
non-default entries… I’m having difficulty guessing at how
this figure could help an eQuest model reviewer do their job properly.
Perhaps it’s specific to other software packages… Thoughts
anyone? </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">To be clear, I’d sooner advise just entering
0’s in lieu of jumping through any unnecessary hoops. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">~Nick</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><b>Error! Filename not specified.</b></span></p><div class="im">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#2D4D5E"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#2D4D5E">NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900">PROJECT ENGINEER</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E">Smith & Boucher Engineers</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E">25501 west valley parkway</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E">olathe ks 66061</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E">direct <a href="tel:913%20344.0036" target="_blank">913 344.0036</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Univers LT 55"">Hi,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Univers LT 55""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Univers LT 55"">I know that when a run has
issues, it creates an ATTN report with the warnings listed. But how can I find
out how many default values have been overridden without going through every
screen and counting them?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Univers LT 55""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Univers LT 55"">Thanks, all!</span></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Univers LT 45 Light";color:#333333"><b>Error!
Filename not specified.</b></span></p><div class="im">
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