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<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>All: Following is an off-list question/response I felt others
could benefit from in a general sense. Posting to the list with Jonathan’s assent
=).<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hey Jonathan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>To be clear, I was careful to phrase that’s just my
feeling/sense for a “LEED-level” project. So many things are subjective
when it comes to LEED reviews, and what may be a “fine” assumption for one
project may be a “gross over-estimation” to another reviewer… don’t get too
caught up!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As a general rule, in the world of energy modeling, I’d say any
decision with sound reasoning behind it is a “right” decision, and oftentimes
(esp. outside of structured systems like LEED) that’s the only guidance you’ll
find. As long as you personally can explain/reconstruct the logic behind
your decisions, your model is just as accurate as it has to be! I
personally like zoning my models in a way that matches actual terminal unit
zoning because it means I can follow the scheduled capacities/loads to the
letter when doing checks or being asked to quantify/verify whether the loads are
in the same ballpark. I’m personally (again, not prescribing anything
here) likely to simplify the zoning heavily whenever the purpose of the model
is to explore the effects of things that aren’t sensitive to terminal unit
quantities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I do not and would not argue your decision to zone differently
than I would is “wrong.” I’d rather defend that you’re in the best
position to make that particular decision ;). The responsibility/onus of
the modeler to make this call is generally supported in the 90.1 User’s manual,
should you ever require more than a fellow modeler’s opinion, by the way!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Best of luck! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 15, 2011 1:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Difference between wizard and detailed mode<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Hi Nick,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Saw your email to Travis regarding modeling separate zones for
each VAV box. I'm very new to energy modeling in general, and right now
I'm modeling more by a zone-by-zone basis rather than focusing on the location
of my VAV boxes. My reasoning is that the load in any given area of the zone
will be very close to the average load of the entire zone. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I noticed you said that modeling a separate zone for each VAV box
is a necessary level of accuracy for LEED. I feel like I'm
getting adequate returns with my method; can you confirm?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nick Caton [mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 13, 2011 7:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Travis Rhodes; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Difference between wizard and detailed mode</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Travis, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>To this latest question – you can go either way. Modeling
a separate zone for each VAV is more accurate and permits specifying varying
capacities/loads/scheduling within the spaces. I perceive this as a
necessary degree of accuracy for something like a LEED submittal. Calling
it one zone means you’re modeling one monster VAV which will approximate all 20
VAV’s in combination, operating in sync. The capacities
(heating/cooling/airflow) will autosize large enough to handle all zones at
once and you’d specify “representative” efficiencies/scheduling/fan kw/cfm and
so forth to roughly equate to a “typical” unit. This level of accuracy is
what I’d call normal/fine for modeling to compare various HVAC systems to
approximate relative changes to other elements like LPD or setback
scheduling. What level of accuracy you “need” is entirely up to the
modeler (and reviewer, if applicable).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regarding Carol’s response earlier:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Carol is quite right and raises a point I forgot to mention –
the issues below are entirely “fixable” within detailed mode (as with most
things). I took an approach to outline “what went wrong” in wizard mode
however as it was apparent Travis had a clear goal and simply missed something
along the way, after seemingly doing everything else right. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I fully agree with Carol that these particular issues are just
as quick (if not quicker) to resolve in detailed mode. In my humble
opinion though, taking a few minutes to learn how to use the wizards correctly
is worth the extra effort as you won’t be making the same mistakes to fix in
your next models =). To be clear, there’s nothing in the wizards you
can’t do in detailed mode – the only compelling reason to “go back” to wizards
is if you (1) have nothing/little to lose (you haven’t done much work in
detailed mode) or (2) you feel the time saved making a change in the wizards
will outweigh the time lost re-doing the detailed mode work (like when your
zone map has completely changed up). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I prescribe to the following mantra: “Use the wizards to their <u>fullest
time-saving extent</u> prior to entering detailed mode.” Another way to
put is “do as much as you can that you can’t do faster in detailed mode.”
This is obviously a moving target that varies project-by-project and with one’s
experience level, but it’s what I strive for and this philosophy illustrates
that the question of when to get out of the wizards never has a black and white
answer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Some prefer to get out of wizards ASAP because they’re very
fast/comfortable with detailed edits, while others spend time wrestling with
the wizards far longer than they should to achieve things that are done more
quickly/easily in detailed mode. I was solidly in the latter camp when
first learning eQuest and feeling apprehensive about detailed mode, and I know
others have the same hurdle… but in time everyone strikes a personal balance
and preference – you really figure this stuff out with experience and trying
new things. I’m self-taught for the most part, but learning what is most
efficiently done before/after the wizards is an area of knowledge I would
expect to be covered in quality formal training at various levels, as this is
the sort of topic that otherwise requires “doing it wrong once” to really
learn.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’ll be out of the office thru the rest of this week, but Travis
if you or anyone else is interested in how to accomplish the same edits in
detailed mode and can’t figure it out, simply ask! I’m sure Carol and
others would be willing to help as individual time allows ;). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Happy to help and best of luck!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=119 height=37 id="Picture_x0020_1"
src="cid:image002.jpg@01CBFA0B.89E1EC20" alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"></span><b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>Smith & Boucher Engineers</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
color:#CC9900'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913 344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913 345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="www.smithboucher.com"
title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span></u><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Travis
Rhodes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 13, 2011 6:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Difference between wizard and detailed mode<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I apologize for these soft ball questions in advance, but I’m
very appreciative of the help. If one of the 60 ton package units supplies 20
VAV boxes, do I need to model 20 zones with the 60 ton as the parent unit to
these zones, or can I tell eQuest somewhere that there are 20 VAV boxes with 20
thermostats in one single zone?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Copperplate Gothic Light";
color:#1F497D'>Travis Rhodes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>ENERGY ADVISOR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>(916)732-5274<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>trhodes@smud.org<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Travis
Rhodes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Difference between wizard and detailed mode<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The reason is because I’ve never used eQuest before and figured
I’d start with the wizard to see how far I would get. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Nick, thanks for the help, I’ll see how far I can get now. </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Copperplate Gothic Light";
color:#1F497D'>Travis Rhodes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>ENERGY ADVISOR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>(916)732-5274<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>trhodes@smud.org<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Carol Gardner
[mailto:cmg750@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Travis Rhodes; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Difference between wizard and detailed mode<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Why not just do it detailed
edit? It's pretty easy to do there so I'm wondering if you have a reason I am
not thinking about for going back into the wizards.<br>
<br>
Carol<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Nick Caton <<a
href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hey Travis,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>What you’ve currently got is:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:
7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>A 60ton unit for each floor’s core zone
(2 total)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:
7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>A series of 5 and 7.5 ton units each
serving one perimeter zone (8 total) </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>ß</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> note: cooling capacities appear to have been edited after the
wizards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:
7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Total units: 10</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:
7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Picture:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><img
border=0 width=616 height=370 id="_x0000_i1028"
src="cid:image003.png@01CBFA0B.89E1EC20"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>It sounds like the desired is to have:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:
7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>A 60ton unit for each floor’s core zone
(2 total)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:
7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>15 ton units each serving two perimeter
zones (4 total)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:
7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Total units: 6</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>To pull this off you need to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>1.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Go back to wizards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>2.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Review/Correct the tonnage for the
smaller units, as necessary (wizard inputs don’t reflect 15 tons all around)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>3.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Select “system per site” in the first
screen of each system (note: you’ve got “system per zone” selected
currently, which assigns one system of the specified sort to each zone in the
shell associated… this is the main source of your system quantity issue).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>4.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Assign the perimeter zones to the
appropriate systems (looks like you’ve already done this correctly, but
review to be sure assignments are correct).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>When finished and on exiting the DD
wizard, you should observe the correct quantity of systems and zone assignments
on review of the airside HVAC tab/component tree.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Best of luck!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>~Nick</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=119 height=37
id="_x0000_i1029" src="cid:image002.jpg@01CBFA0B.89E1EC20"
alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>Smith & Boucher Engineers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>direct <a href="tel:913%20344.0036"
target="_blank">913 344.0036</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>fax <a href="tel:913%20345.0617"
target="_blank">913 345.0617</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.smithboucher.com"
target="_blank" title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:blue'> </span></u><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Travis Rhodes<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 13, 2011 12:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Difference between wizard and detailed mode<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Copperplate Gothic Light";color:#1F497D'>Travis
Rhodes</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>ENERGY ADVISOR</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="tel:%28916%29732-5274"
target="_blank">(916)732-5274</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:trhodes@smud.org"
target="_blank">trhodes@smud.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Carol
Gardner [mailto:<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Travis Rhodes<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Difference between wizard and detailed mode</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi
Travis,<br>
<br>
You need to attach the .inp file that this .pd2 file uses, too.<br>
<br>
Carol<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Travis Rhodes <<a
href="mailto:TRhodes@smud.org" target="_blank">TRhodes@smud.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’m
trying to set up a really simple 2 story building with 6 rooftop units. Two 60
tons supply cooling only to the core of the two floors and the 4 15 ton units
take care of the perimeter. One unit supplies air to two walls on the first
floor and another unit takes the other two walls on that floor. This is
repeated on the second floor. In the wizard I set it up exactly like this and
inputted the performance data for each unit and named each unit but when I go
to detailed mode to modify the schedules to reflect the controls of the system
it has broken everything out completely different than what I assumed I had set
up in the wizard. I’ve attached the .pd2 file, I don’t know if this is
sufficient for anyone to look at what I’ve done.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I
appreciate anyone help on this. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Error! Filename not specified.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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