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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Paul Diglio
[mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 07, 2011
7:54 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Brian Goldsmith; Jeremy
Poling; Carol Gardner<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] 90.1
Supply Fan Energy</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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In detailed mode, right click the static and then choose "restore
default". Then you can enter the kW/CFM.<br>
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Paul Diglio<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Goldsmith <Brian.Goldsmith@atce.com><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Jeremy Poling
<Jeremy.Poling@transwestern.net>; Carol Gardner <cmg750@gmail.com>;
Paul Diglio <paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net><br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Equest-users] 90.1
Supply Fan Energy</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am trying to model a CAV 90.1 baseline
system 4, but it won’t let me input kW/cfm, just static and efficiency. The
default static value is 1.25, but I’m not sure if that’s correct because I
obviously don’t know the external static of the duct system. I would rather
input the kW/cfm. Any advice?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jeremy Poling<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 06, 2011
8:47 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Carol Gardner; Paul Diglio<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] 90.1
Supply Fan Energy</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Here's my general thoughts on OA in the model, for what
they're worth. The only problem with using the OA-per keywords in eQuest
is that they are not additive: you can only use OA-flow-per-area or
OA-flow-per-person but not both. Since ASHRAE 62.1-2004 and later
prescriptively defines both per-person and per-area requirements in an additive
fashion, eQuest is incapable of self-calculating the amount of OA required to
comply with ASHRAE 62.1. I'm more often in the role of peer-reviewing
models for engineers before they go to the LEED review teams and this is one
thing I find myself too often receiving a response of "this way should
work." The reviewers will compare the OA amounts specified in EQp1
and EQc2 to the amounts used in the model in EAc1 and will more often than
not kick out a comment if they do not match.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I usually try to minimize the time for having to
respond to comments, especially knowing how many comments energy models
receive. My recommendation to modelers using eQuest is to always
calculate your design CFM values (OA, supply, return, exhaust) outside of the
software using appropriate adjustment factors where necessary or allowed by
codes like ASHRAE 62.1 (elevation, etc.) and then use the direct specification
keywords for zone-level airflows in eQuest. As long as you have elevation
zero'd out you should be able to get eQuest to match the airflow values you
calculated, or else be able to easily identify where the problem is (system
sizing factor >1, etc.). An added benefit is that you do not have to
run the simulation and look at the results to know what CFM values you have in
the model: they are in the input file and can be accessed easily in the summary
tables in the user interface.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>It would be great if eQuest was able to match the ASHRAE
62.1 calcs and even provide an ASHRAE 62.1 summary report (like some other
modeling software can), but I know Hirsch's team was focused on the baseline
compliance engine and the soon-to-come Canadian version, so it is more than
fair to be patient waiting for that feature :) I also know that some
really advanced users have ways to use the customization features in eQuest to
do this already and I encourage them to share/teach...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>In short - the Outside-air-flow keyword should be the
preferred keyword and indeed eQuest overrides all other OA keywords at the zone
level if a value is present for Outside-air-flow.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Separately, when you do calculate CFM values for the model,
don't forget that ASHRAE 90.1-2007 allows credit for pressure drop due to
filters ;) Just one more thing to have to worry about in the model...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Verdana><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Jeremy R. Poling, PE, LEED AP+BDC</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org on behalf of Carol Gardner<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wed 4/6/2011 7:03 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Paul Diglio<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] 90.1
Supply Fan Energy</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The reason someone "thinks
OA might cause a problem" is because of the way that someone thinks it was
entered. It sounds like it was entered using outside-air-flow, and I may be
wrong because Michael hasn't really said. Using Outside-Air-Flow overrides any
values eQUEST might otherwise calculate, and I would suggest that might make a
difference. If OA Flow-Per was used instead, that's the one I use, it gives
eQUEST the flexibility to calculate the OA cfm itself. To my mind, that a good
use of an energy model that is not only interactive but uses 8760 hours of
weather data. <br>
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Any other thoughts on this?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Paul Diglio <<a
href="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net">paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net</a>>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Michael:<br>
<br>
The kW/CFM you used seems reasonable.<br>
<br>
I don't know if you are using a CV or VAV system, but lets assume VAV.
90.1-2007 G3.1.2.9 shows the formula CFMs *.0013+A for baseline BHP. A is
calculated per Section 6.5.3.1.1. Using Table 6.5.3.1.1A VAV, we have the
formula BHP<= CFMs*0013+A. The footnote defines A=sum of
(PD*CFMd/4131). So assuming you have a fully ducted return, the PD is .5
which should be multiplied by (CFMd/4131). If there are various pressure
drops throughout the system we need to estimate the CFM flow at each pressure
drop.<br>
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As an example, let's take a 20,000 CFM VAV system with 18,000 CFM of return air
through a ducted return.<br>
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A = (.5*(18000/4131) = 2.178 <br>
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BHP =20000*.0013+2.178 = 28.17</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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pFan= 28.17*.746/ Fan Motor Efficiency. Note that since we need kW not watts
per CFM the 746 becomes .746. That is probably the reason you generated a
large kW number. Per Table 10.8 a 30 HP baseline motor needs to be 91%
efficient.<br>
<br>
The formula now becomes pFan =28.17*.746/.91 = 23.09 kW. Our kW per CFM
is .0011.<br>
<br>
If I am modeling a proposed project with a defined supply and return CFM, I
would expect that the baseline would be approximately the same. The
CFM/Ft2 required varies greatly between building and systems. In the real
world I see 1.2 or so CFM/Ft2 much, much more than I see .5 CFM/Ft2. Check your
CFM/Ton to see if you are in the ballpark.<br>
<br>
I don't know why someone would think that outside air would cause a
problem. Air is air. Too much outside air would raise energy costs
though.<br>
<br>
Paul Diglio</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> M. Shields <<a
href="mailto:mshields@fstrategies.com" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:mshields@fstrategies.com">mshields@fstrategies.com</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Paul Diglio <<a
href="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net">paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net</a>>;
Carol Gardner <<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com">cmg750@gmail.com</a>> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank"
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Wed, April 6,
2011 6:13:53 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Equest-users] 90.1
Supply Fan Energy</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I’ll try OA as a per person number
instead of a per space number and see what happens. kW/CFM varied by
space between ~ .0007 and .001, and when I look at the SV-A reports the Fan
Demand (kW) matches what I calculated using 90.1. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I found G3.1.2.9 could possibly be
interpreted a couple different ways (for example the denominator include X BHP
instead of the whole fraction), but the only one which produced a reasonable
bhp for to me was </span></font><img border=0 width=242 height=25
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color="#1f497d"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>. I guess
this could have been where I messed up but all the other possibilities
generated kW numbers which didn’t make sense (quite large or negative).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 06, 2011
5:51 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Carol Gardner; M. Shields<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] 90.1
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10.0pt'>Michael:<br>
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Just out of curiosity, what did you calculate for the kW/CFM?<br>
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I have modeled buildings where the ventilation fans use much more energy than
the heating and cooling energy combined.<br>
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Paul Diglio</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> M. Shields <<a
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ymailto="mailto:mshields@fstrategies.com">mshields@fstrategies.com</a>><br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] 90.1
Supply Fan Energy<br>
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Yes, that is correct and obviously there isn't a large number in there. The
default is 0.5 cfm/sf. I really think it's your outdoor air. Try changing it to
cfm/person.<o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:47 PM, M. Shields <<a
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Do you mean under the
Systems->Fans->Flow Parameters Min Flow cfm/ft2? I left this blank
thinking that equest would then size the flow rate based on my design
parameters for supply air temp and zone temp as Appendix G requires, is that
incorrect?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'> Carol Gardner [mailto:<a
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 06, 2011
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] 90.1
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Under the HVAC systems
tab, go to the Air Flow screen and look for the field labeled cfm/sf. It
usually defaults to 0.5 cfm/sf, something I've been going on about a bit lately
on this listserv. A better number is 1 or so, usually but it depends on
building type, exposure, etc. For you, make sure it is not too large. I
suspect, however, that this is not where your problem is. I suspect you have
accidentally entered too much OA. I suggest you go back and simply put in the
Standard 62 cfm/person rate and call it good. I have never specified it as a
cfm rate but that sounds like not such a good idea for energy modeling. See if
that helps.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:57 PM, M. Shields <<a
href="mailto:mshields@fstrategies.com" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:mshields@fstrategies.com">mshields@fstrategies.com</a>>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I looked at the ACH based on the SV-A
system CFM and the volume of the zone and it does seem high (2-5 ACH), but I
let equest calculate the system CFM for me.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I have one system per zone so I
specified OA in the zone tab as a overall CFM rate based on the 62.1
calculations I did.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 06, 2011
3:37 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> M. Shields<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <a
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] 90.1
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Check your cfm/sf number
in your systems, that would definitely cause this if it's set too high. Also
what field are you using for your OA ventilaton? <br>
<br>
Carol<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:22 PM, M. Shields <<a
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I am in the process of breaking out the fan energy from my HVAC system
per ASHRAE 2004 G3.1.2.1, following G3.1.2.9. The amount of energy coming
from my fans seems massive and I’m not sure if that is typical, or if I’ve
messed something up. I started by setting the temperature difference of
20 degrees between supply and desired temp (55/75 cooling and 90/70 for
heating) and specified 62.1-2004 ventilation for outside air. I then ran
equest and used the SV-A reports to get supply CFM for each system. From
that number I then used Table G3.1.2.9 to get BHP for each system, which I then
converted to kW using the formula in ASHRAE. I then took that number and
divided by CFM to get kw/CFM and entered this number on the system->fan
tab. When I go to the SV-A report the system kW is exactly what I
calculated it to be, but the energy required for my ventilation fans is about
the same as my heating and cooling load combined, which seems outrageous.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Is this typical? Have I entered it In the wrong way? I would
think fan consumption would typically be a fraction of the actually heating and
cooling energy. Thanks for any thoughts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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