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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If it were me, I would not try to model
multiple zones as a single thermal block if the zones are served by
different-sized systems. Different system sizes imply the zones are not
thermally-similar.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If you have created thermal blocks of
stacked apartments that ARE served by the same sized systems, then I think you
are justified in modeling a single system for that zone with the combined
capacities of all the systems and using the efficiency of those systems. But I
agree with the reviewer that you should model each different “stack”
with the size and efficiency of the identical systems in that stack.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The 90.1 User’s Manual goes into
detail about how/when to create thermal blocks, but I can’t find where it
describes how to combine systems, so this is just my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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– the forest AND the trees.</span></font><font size=5 color=green
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>M. Shields<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:36
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Equest-users] Thermal
Blocks/HVAC Systems for LEED Credit</span></font><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hi
All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I
have modeled a multifamily building for LEED which uses a variable refrigerant
flow system. In the building each stack of apartment’s heating and
cooling is provided by one unit, but the stack next door is provided by a
different unit. The efficiency is determined by the outdoor unit and
varies slightly by size, which is not the same for all apartment units. I
have modeled several apartments as one thermal block and I had calculated an
overall system efficiency by doing a weighted average based on system
size. My reviewer has commented that per G3.1.10a I need to use the
individual system size and efficiency for each system. I am wondering if
they will accept a weighted average by thermal block instead of an overall
system average. It seems quite clear under G3.1.9 that modeling multiple
apartments on the same wall is perfectly acceptable. Do you need to have
multiple systems serve each zone? I did not think this is possible.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Any
thoughts/experience with this situation would be greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Michael<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Book Antiqua"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'>____________________________<br>
Michael Shields<br>
Facility Strategies Group, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on"><font size=2
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Market Street, Suite 307</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street><font
size=2 face="Book Antiqua"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2
face="Book Antiqua"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'>Fort
Mill</span></font></st1:City><font size=2 face="Book Antiqua"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'>, <st1:State w:st="on">SC</st1:State>
<st1:PostalCode w:st="on">29708</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:place><font
size=2 face="Book Antiqua"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Book Antiqua"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'>Phone: 803-493-4507<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Book Antiqua"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua"'>Fax: 803-548-2511<br>
Email: <a href="mailto:mshields@fstrategies.com">mshields@fstrategies.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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