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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It’s been brought to my attention that the response below would
be more helpful to current and future list subscribers if formatted
differently, as colored text doesn’t make it into everyone’s inbox, and more
importantly the archives...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Following is same response, reformatted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I have simulated a single residential floor plate with
systems, construction, loads etc. Now I need to simulate the entire building ie
all the 37th residential floors and the gym level. We are considering not to
simulate the podium parking levels since no mechanical systems will be
provided. the only loads will be the electrical lighting loads. could this be
counted as the EPD? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>[RESPONSE] <span style='color:red'>I’m used to defining
unconditioned parking garage lighting loads without an additional shell – just
schedule those as direct loads to the meter. I can’t speak to EPD… </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Questions for further model development<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>how
do i simulate the entire building with gym level without going into the wizard
mode as we shall lose all input data. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt'>[RESPONSE] <span
style='color:red'>Save a copy of original (A), open copy (B), go back to the
wizards and define any new shells/HVAC systems per usual with unique prefixes
and at appropriate heights (z-coordinates), save, close, open the original (A)
and import the copy (B) in detailed mode [attached discussion walks you through
the importing process], review the added shells/systems and delete/reassign
systems and schedules as appropriate.</span><span style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt'>we have used floor
multipliers in the parametrics and performed simulation. would this be correct
result for the residential component. <span style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt'>[RESPONSE] <span
style='color:red'>Floor multipliers are the way to go conceptually, you should
be able to define this without parametric runs however – double click the shell
in the component tree to edit that figure:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt'>[ATTACHED IMAGE:]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt'><span style='color:#1F497D'><img
width=442 height=541 id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image002.png@01CBE22B.C90E9BC0"
alt="cid:image002.png@01CBE22B.C90E9BC0"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:red'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]>how do i add the gymnasium floor level to this
model in the detailed mode. can i use the INP file or should i go on to create
the floor by create child component way. this is a bit difficult method. was
wondering if there is any easier method. i have tried to read the INP
file..to check were the iterations can be made with regards to this....but it
looks too complicated and i cannot understand where to pitch in my
changes....any guidance on this front...<span style='color:red'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt'>[RESPONSE] <span
style='color:red'>Import it – see above and attached.</span><span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span>[ATTACHMENT]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Does
the solar radiation considered by eQUEST at 35th floor is different that the
solar radiation considered at 10 th floor. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt'>[RESPONSE] <span
style='color:red'>I’m not sure of this – I do know eQuest can consider
elevation for wind speed/infiltration calculations, but I haven’t read anything
that would make me assume solar radiation is handled differently than at the
first floor… hopefully others may comment to this?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>the
roof of the 4th parking podium is a large landscape for the tower.
where in the model do we input the exterior lighting loads and podium lighting
loads. i understand that the consumption by these loads is shown as the
exterior usage. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt'>[RESPONSE] <span
style='color:red'>See attached recent discussion – direct exterior loads on the
meter. </span>[ATTACHMENT]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>how
to create the energy meters in the model..and how / where to assign
them...i have never tried them before, but need to get to use them now...please
elaborate at extent. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt'>[RESPONSE] <span
style='color:red'>Please elaborate on what you’re trying to accomplish – there
are different sorts of meters… I always define utility meters rates through the
wizards and wouldn’t recommend any other way. Sub-meters are sometimes
made for various purposes… again see attached discussion… </span>[ATTACHMENT]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>6.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]>what are global parameters?<span
style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt'>[RESPONSE] <span
style='color:red'>Re: “Modeling Procedures Quick Reference.pdf” under “Help.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]>i have realised that once the model is
simulated, a half dozen more interlinked files are generated, please throw light
on the significance of these....how to derive out of these files?<span
style='color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt'>[RESPONSE] <span
style='color:red'>What are you trying to derive? Here’s a recap of the
critical ones:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:red'>- PD2 – user inputs for use in wizards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:red'>- INP – building inputs post-wizards (generated by wizards)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:red'>- PRD – parametric run definitions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:red'>- SIM – Simulation results<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:red'>- BDL – Building Description Language – this is a file created on
doing a simulation - it processes the .inp line by line. If an error
stops a simulation you can usually figure out what the problem is by checking
this file out. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#2D4D5E'>Smith & Boucher Engineers</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
color:#CC9900'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913 344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913 345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick
Caton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 14, 2011 10:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> kirti pabrekar; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users-request@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] additions in detailed mode for ease
ofsimulation(kirti pabrekar)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Kirti,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>See my responses below in red – referenced discussions are
attached for convenience, but note these are 2 among thousands of handy
discussions that can be searched for in the archives ;).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>kirti pabrekar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 14, 2011 12:14 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] additions in detailed mode for ease of simulation(kirti
pabrekar)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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From: <b>kirti pabrekar</b> <<a href="mailto:arkirtipabrekar@gmail.com">arkirtipabrekar@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:38 AM<br>
Subject: additions in detailed mode for ease of simulation (kirti pabrekar)<br>
To: <a href="mailto:equest-users-request@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-request@lists.onebuilding.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>hi equesters, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>we have a project, that is a 38 storey tower. the tower has
4 podiums for parking above grade. A gymnasium and health club are placed over
the fourth podium i have attached a rough sketch for better understanding. the
typical residential floor starts above the gym level, all the way
upto 37th floor. please see the sketch attached.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have simulated a single residential floor plate with
systems, construction, loads etc. Now I need to simulate the entire building ie
all the 37th residential floors and the gym level. We are considering not to
simulate the podium parking levels since no mechanical systems will be provided.
the only loads will be the electrical lighting loads. could this be counted as
the EPD? <span style='color:red'>I’m used to defining unconditioned parking
garage lighting loads without an additional shell – just schedule those as
direct loads to the meter. I can’t speak to EPD… </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Questions for further model development<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:45.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>8.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>how
do i simulate the entire building with gym level without going into the wizard
mode as we shall lose all input data. <span style='color:red'>Save a copy of
original (A), open copy (B), go back to the wizards and define any new
shells/HVAC systems per usual with unique prefixes and at appropriate heights
(z-coordinates), save, close, open the original (A) and import the copy (B) in
detailed mode [attached discussion walks you through the importing process],
review the added shells/systems and delete/reassign systems and schedules as
appropriate.</span><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span>we have used floor
multipliers in the parametrics and performed simulation. would this be correct
result for the residential component. <span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='color:red'>Floor multipliers are the way to go conceptually, you should
be able to define this without parametric runs however – double click the shell
in the component tree to edit that figure:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2. how do i add the gymnasium floor level to this model in
the detailed mode. can i use the INP file or should i go on to create the floor
by create child component way. this is a bit difficult method. was wondering if
there is any easier method. i have tried to read the INP file..to check
were the iterations can be made with regards to this....but it looks too
complicated and i cannot understand where to pitch in my changes....any
guidance on this front...<span style='color:red'> Import it – see above and
attached.</span><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>3. Does the solar radiation considered by eQUEST at 35th
floor is different that the solar radiation considered at 10 th
floor. <span style='color:red'>I’m not sure of this – I do know eQuest can
consider elevation for wind speed/infiltration calculations, but I haven’t read
anything that would make me assume solar radiation is handled differently than
at the first floor… hopefully others may comment to this?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>4. the roof of the 4th parking podium is a
large landscape for the tower. where in the model do we input the exterior
lighting loads and podium lighting loads. i understand that the consumption by
these loads is shown as the exterior usage. <span style='color:red'>See
attached recent discussion – direct exterior loads on the meter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>5. how to create the energy meters in the model..and how /
where to assign them...i have never tried them before, but need to get to
use them now...please elaborate at extent. <span style='color:red'>Please
elaborate on what you’re trying to accomplish – there are different sorts of
meters… I always define utility meters rates through the wizards and wouldn’t
recommend any other way. Sub-meters are sometimes made for various
purposes… again see attached discussion…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>6. what are global parameters?<span style='color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='color:red'>Re: “Modeling Procedures Quick Reference.pdf”
under “Help.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>7. i have realised that once the model is simulated, a half
dozen more interlinked files are generated, please throw light on the
significance of these....how to derive out of these files?<span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:red'>What are you trying
to derive? Here’s a recap of the critical ones:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:red'>- PD2 – user inputs for use in wizards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:red'>- INP – building inputs post-wizards (generated by wizards)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:red'>- PRD – parametric run definitions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:red'>- SIM – Simulation results<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:red'>- BDL – Building Description Language – this is a file created on
doing a simulation - it processes the .inp line by line. If an error
stops a simulation you can usually figure out what the problem is by checking
this file out. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<br>
Ar. Kirti Pramod Pabrekar.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>IGBC AP, LEED India, <br>
M. Arch,<br>
Environmental Planning and Design.<br>
+91 9821 68 2280<o:p></o:p></p>
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