<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:10pt">Thanks Nick, that is a helpful document.<br><br>Paul<br><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Nick Caton <ncaton@smithboucher.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Diglio <paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net>; Kelsey VanTassel <KVanTassel@sustaineng.com>; James Hurley <JHurley@kohlerronan.com>; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, March 2, 2011 6:33:26 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Equest-users] EER<br></font><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Good
catch Paul! A lot of my modeling of late has been outside 90.1 so my head’s
not totally in the game =).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Attached
is a potentially helpful resource I grabbed from the lists at some point that I’ve
referenced for breaking EER into cooling EIR / fan energy, if you’re modeling
under such constraints or otherwise wish to separately model fan energy. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">There’s
more like this to be found in attachments and discussions in the archives.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I’ve
taken zeroing out the fan energy and using listed COP/EER figures for EIR’s as
an appropriate method for exploring various packaged equipment options,
acknowledging those figures account for associated fan energies, but Paul’s
right in that you wouldn’t want to do this for an Appendix G performance rating.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">~Nick</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "sans-serif";"> Paul Diglio
[mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 02, 2011 3:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton; Kelsey VanTassel; James Hurley;
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] EER</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">James:<br>
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If you are modeling to 90.1-2007 Appendix G, then you need to breakout the fan
energy, so you cannot set it to 0 as suggested. See G3.1.2.1.<br>
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Paul Diglio</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "sans-serif";"> Nick Caton <ncaton@smithboucher.com><br>
<b>To:</b> Kelsey VanTassel <KVanTassel@sustaineng.com>; James Hurley
<JHurley@kohlerronan.com>; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wed, March 2, 2011 4:39:41 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] EER</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "serif";"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">James,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Kelsey’s right – in detailed
mode such efficiency measures entered in wizard mode get split into fan energy
(kW/CFM) and heating (EIR/HIR) & cooling (EIR) efficiencies. If
entering values for heating/cooling efficiency – pay mind to whether fan energy
is included in your EER figures (it usually is), and follow Kelsey’s advice to
zero out the fan energy if so. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If you’re not in detailed yet,
heating and cooling efficiencies are handled most simply using Wizard Screen 3
of ##:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">~Nick</span></p>
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[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kelsey
VanTassel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 02, 2011 3:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Hurley; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] EER</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">You assign the cooling EIR
(inverse of COP) under system>cooling>unitary power. Technically, you
should define the efficiency of the compressor separately from the fan power,
otherwise eQUEST will double-count the fan energy. If you use an overall system
EER, then you should set the fan power (kW/cfm) to zero.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Furnace efficiency (heat input
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[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>James
Hurley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 02, 2011 3:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(54, 95, 145);">Where in eQuest can you assign
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