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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As Nick previously mentioned, you may need to use different areas for different aspects of the project (lighting, PV, energy, ventilation, etc.) For the energy modeling portion, you should probably talk to your project design engineer as the building construction you describe is a bit unusual.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Going back to the fundamental heat flow equations that simulations use, the heat flow calculation is based on some area and includes outside and inside air films, wall assembly construction, material properties, heat transfer path, etc. For your specific building, the thermal properties of the wall material may not offset the additional wall areas due to the thickness of the wall. In a normal size building, the wall area of the corners is usually small in comparison to the total wall area so the corner details become negligible. Since you’ve said the building area changes by 4% when you include the wall thickness, you are correct to raise the question. I think the question needs to go back to the design engineer who is familiar with your specific building construction.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In a very simple example, when specifying insulation for piping, it is actually possible to <u>increase</u> the heat-loss by <u>adding</u> too much insulation because of the increase in surface area relative to the insulation thickness. I know your building is not a pipe (and probably not round) but this simple example just goes to show how important it is to understand the limitations of the equations being used and not assume that what is negligible for 8-12” thick wall construction, is also negligible for 24” thick wall construction.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Michael Hardy, PE, F.NSPE</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <br></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sr. Mechanical Engineer</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Black Oak Engineering, Inc.</span><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Cell 503.314.5244</span><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Praveen Jain<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 01, 2011 4:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> Nick Caton<br><b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] External wall area for simulation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thanks Nick for good explanation.<br><br>Actually in my project we are using almost 2ft wide external walls to get the effect of thermal mass. if I consider external wall area in eQUEST model my area deviation is almost 4% and mismatch in conditioned area is more than this. So project energy consumption would be more and also not able to match TR for the project.<br>Actually we are also planning to go for 2.5% renewable energy credit, if I consider external wall than PV cost would be more.<br><br>Can I exclude external wall area for eQUEST modeling ?<br><br>--<br>With Thanks and Regards<br>Praveen <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Nick Caton <<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hi Praveen,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I’ve copied below a discussion from some time back outlining my general practice for “where to draw the line” when it comes to envelope/wall boundaries. This may be generally useful and seems to answer at least part of your inquiry.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>When I’m doing electrical and/or HVAC design alongside the model, my area takeoffs for each inevitably will match up, because I hate doing the same work twice. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I use the outermost surfaces when defining my building footprint and midpoints for all internal partitions for all calcs. Space-by-space LPD calcs in a strict reading do not require the space areas to be measured to the outermost surface of an exterior wall (they do say to use the midpoint of interior partitions, as of 90.1-2007). I’d feel comfortable saying the extra square-footage “handicap” I’m imposing on myself as a lighting designer is an insignificant fraction in 99.9% of cases when determining baseline LPD… </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Inevitably, areas summed for all spaces in a building between architects, HVAC, and lighting designers will <u>not</u> match – that’s a fact of life and in my book that’s okay, so long as nobody is way off. Model reviewers will inevitably/reliably gripe when the numbers don’t match exactly, and it’s usually an easy thing to either fix or explain after the fact. If you to try to make everyone use the same numbers from the DD/CD design phases, you’ve chosen a losing battle. For my part in the role of the project’s energy modeler, I’m satisfied to allow my fellow designers do their own calcs, and just ensure nobody is way off along the way… quibbles over small differences in the final tallies, if they come up, are easy to reconcile.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>~Nick</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><b>Error! 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Jain<br>Roorkee<o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color windowtext'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Caton<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> John Aulbach; Nijenmanting, F.C.; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] area of (internal) partitions</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Filique,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>This sounds a lot like a question I brought up when I was getting started with eQuest and energy modeling in general: What is “standard practice” regarding where the inter-zonal and footprint boundaries are defined, relative to actual wall thicknesses? The quick answer is that there aren’t any hard/fast answers to this. It was a good discussion and is probably archived in [bldg-sim] if anyone cares to dig around…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>In short: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>eQuest areas correspond to the polygons used to define the floor areas/building footprint. These polygons are defined by the shapes defined or traced from a CAD file in the wizards. <u>I’m pretty sure</u> (someone correct me if I’m wrong) the floor area taken up by internal partitions (which have thickness) on the floor slab is NOT subtracted from the total area, so if you double the thickness of your internal partitions you will not see a change reflected in space areas. This is normally not a big deal in the context of thermal modeled behavior, but if you have many unusually thick partitions (1ft or more deep), you might want to either account for them by modeling them as unconditioned zones between spaces. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>2.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Regarding “best practice,” here’s a set of general guidelines that would apply to various loads & modeling software packages (beyond eQuest), prioritizing the interest of modeling with thermal accuracy:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>a.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Define interior partitions using the midpoint between the two surfaces. This is generally not terribly critical – I will take small liberties on this to reduce the number of vertices and simply actual internal zones.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>b.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Define the building footprint areas using the outermost surface. This is more important as you want to accurately model the actual amount of surface area subject to exterior loads.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>c.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Define top of each zone (in the z-axis) using the top surface elevation the respective floor or roof construction.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>3.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>On a related note, this ties into the general advice to not use energy modeling programs with the intent to create perfect 3D representations of your buildings. If you need a pretty picture, they make 3D modeling software for that purpose. When it comes to building geometries, simplicity is a virtue, and ASHRAE will even back you up on that one (re: 90.1 User’s Manual). Avoiding overly-accurate building geometries lets you spend more time modeling the more critical building elements of a building’s energy behavior (loads/systems/schedules/etc).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Best wishes,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>~Nick</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'><b>Error! 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I don't understand how doubling the size of your internal partitions decreases your floor area. The eQuest floor areas are (to my undestandinding), from the outside of outside walls to the "outside" of any internal partitions IN THE SPACE THAT PARTITION RESIDES. You can have only one internal wall separating two adjacent spaces.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Others may comment.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>John R. 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Grand Avenue, El Segundo, CA 90245<br>W: 888-826-1216, X254| D: 310-765-7295 | F: 310-817-2745</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://www.ptrenergy.com/" target="_blank">www.ptrenergy.com</a><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><a href="mailto:%7C%20jaulbach@ptrenergy.com" target="_blank">| jaulbach@ptrenergy.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> "Nijenmanting, F.C." <<a href="mailto:F.C.Nijenmanting@student.tue.nl" target="_blank">F.C.Nijenmanting@student.tue.nl</a>><br><b>To:</b> "<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Wed, August 4, 2010 12:15:19 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] area of (internal) partitions<br><br>Hello all,<br><br>I have a question about the area which is calculated by equest.<br>Does it take into account the width of internal partitions?<br>In reality, if I would double the size of my internal walls, my actual floor area decreases.<br>But I could not find differences in the floor area calculated by Equest if I change the thickness of my walls.<br><br>A similar question accounts for the external partitions. For drawing the ground plan, should I therefore take the internal boundary, external boundary or middle line?<br><br>Kind regards,<br>Filique<br>_______________________________________________<br>Equest-users mailing list<br><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org</a><br>To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <a href="mailto:EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG" target="_blank">EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br>with regards,<br>Praveen K. Jain<br>Roorkee<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>