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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks very much for the informed response, Paul! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>With all respect, I want to be sure I’m picking up the right
lessons here =):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Accepting the arbitrary nature of IPLV ratings, what I’ve
proposed for Rohini’s case is to define a curve that will utilize his model’s
unique annual part-load profile (tossing IPLV’s weightings out the window), and
would isolate the effects of PLR to make his equipment comparison.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Am I correctly understanding that any comparative analysis that
isolates only the effects of part-load in comparing two chillers is pretty much
pointless? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am not trying to make a case that lift, variable flows, and
their effects on capacity and efficiency are not important (and I have also
experienced responses all over the map from different manufacturers). I agree that
at least considering all of these in many cases is necessary when one wants to
model accurate behavior, particularly from a commissioning/servicing context. With
all other things being equal, I’m however proposing these factors shouldn’t be critical
if the specific goal is to determine <u>whether chiller A or chiller B fits a
model’s part load profile better</u>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So to clarify and make our bridges meet: Is it critical that
Rohini creates an EIR-fPLR&dT curve for his analysis (between two screw
chillers with everything else presumed identical), or is it fair to say this
may be overkill considering what he’s trying to achieve?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I for one will continue the good fight to obtain more solid
input data for my curves, sometimes I have to settle for “the best I can get”
with the people I’m supposed to be talking to, but your experiences are further
motivation to try to find the right people =)!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks again,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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color:#2D4D5E'>Smith & Boucher Engineers</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
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color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913 344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913 345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Paul Diglio
[mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 25, 2011 2:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] using IPLV in eQuest<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Nick:<br>
<br>
I come from a mechanical contracting and service background. Condenser
water temperature is a hotly debated item. Some manufacturers define a
very narrow range of acceptable condenser water temperature and others define a
very narrow range of the temperature difference between entering and leaving
condenser water temperature.<br>
<br>
During one investment-grade audit I performed recently, Trane told me that the
condenser water dt can be no <u>less</u> than 5 degrees for maximum efficiency
on the 650 ton CVHE chillers I was working with. The water temperature
could be anywhere to 50-80 degrees. This machine had hot-gas bypass to
keep the head pressure up.<br>
<br>
Other chillers that I have overhauled require a very narrow band of condenser
water temperature, such as 75-78 degrees supply temperature. So modeling
a wide condenser water range does not make much sense to me since it is not a
real world application. The chillers I have worked on either have a tower
bypass loop or a hot gas bypass to keep the condensing pressure up where it
belongs. Energy is wasted when too cold a condenser water temperature is
specified.<br>
<br>
Other manufacturers say the colder the better.<br>
<br>
Specifying variable primary chilled water flow and variable condenser water
flow has a large impact on chiller efficiency. I ask the manufacturers to
provide me the kW/Ton for minimum flow, standard flow and maximum flow for the
evaporator and condenser bundles. A chiller that has an kW/Ton of .56 at
AHRI conditions can often have a 1.3 kW/Ton at minimum condenser flow (3
gpm/ton) at 30% load.<br>
<br>
The IPLV is really a useless rating for a real world application since it
assumes a certain percentage load a certain percentage of the time. It
all depends on the design of the system and the load profile. It is a
good rating to compare various chillers if they conform to the load
profile. I see more chillers that run in the 40-60% range 90% of the time
than I see chillers that match the IPLV conditions.<br>
<br>
During my investment-grade reviews with our local utility, the lift of the
chiller is always an important consideration.<br>
<br>
There was an e-mail for someone, I believe York, that offered to model any
manufacturers chiller on this forum a few months ago. I have had good
luck getting the rep to provide the information that I requested as long as I
find the right person.<br>
<br>
Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nick Caton <ncaton@smithboucher.com><br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Diglio <paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net>;
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Fri, February 25, 2011 2:50:44 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] using IPLV in eQuest</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Paul, I may not have been crystal-clear, but if someone is
merely making a comparative analysis between two screw chillers, aren’t the
relative effects of varying lift between the two chillers negligible? My
general understanding is that lift is a more critical variable when comparing
VSD centrifugal chillers… This is why I suggested a simpler EIR-fPLR
curve would be sufficient in lieu of an EIR-fPLR&dT – I was trying to
simplify Rohini’s comparative analysis.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’d agree that an EIR-fPLR&dT curve would be more precise
and more appropriate if the goal is to better match the chiller behavior (and
creating custom CAP-FT and EIR-FT would be even better), but I was thinking
this would require an unnecessary amount of extra work for Rohini’s comparative
purpose.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My “suggested information to request” below for constructing
EIR-fPLR&dT curves is based on my past experience with limitations of my
local manf. rep’s software – they need to set certain items constant to get the
numbers to crunch… Have you had luck collecting PLR runs where the
evaporator and/or condenser temp was allowed to float? I’ve picked up
through the lists that a better way to skin the cat may be to approach the
chiller controls reps where they may exist, as they may have more flexible
software…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I throw this disclaimer out sometimes: I certainly haven’t
been doing this for decades! If I’m misunderstanding something, I very
much welcome corrections ;). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~Nick</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#2D4D5E'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#2D4D5E'>Smith & Boucher Engineers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913 344.0036</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913 345.0617</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'>www.smithboucher.com</span><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Paul Diglio
[mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 25, 2011 12:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton; James Waechter; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] using IPLV in eQuest</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Actually
what everyone is calling dt is more accurately referred to as lift. It is
the difference between the saturated evaporating temperature and the saturated
condensing temperature, which is different than the condenser water temperature
and the evaporator water temperature.<br>
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A more accurate curve can be built if you have the chiller manufacturer model
both these variables for you, rather than leaving the evaporator water
temperature constant and just varying the condenser water temperature.
Any change in the evaporator pressure will effect the condensing pressure and
any change in the condensing pressure will effect the evaporator pressure.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> James Waechter <jamesw@McKinstry.com>;
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Fri, February 25, 2011 1:21:42 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] using IPLV in eQuest</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>James et al,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Rohini will need to create performance curves to make this
particular comparison. Otherwise using the default curves will result in
identical part load performances.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The following is excerpted from the following (short)
recommended reading concerning what IPLV means: <a
href="http://ashrae-cfl.org/2010/03/understanding-iplvnplv/" target="_blank">http://ashrae-cfl.org/2010/03/understanding-iplvnplv/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'>IPLV (or NPLV) = 0.01A+0.42B+0.45C+0.12D<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'>Where:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'>A = COP or EER @ 100% Load<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'>B = COP or EER @ 75% Load<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'>C = COP or EER @ 50% Load<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'>D = COP or EER @ 25% Load<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>John is saying knowing only the IPLV and the 100% load condition
efficiency (variable ‘A,’ above) is not enough information to extrapolate the
IPLV curves to compare the two chillers. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>For the exercise of comparing the two non-centrifugal chillers
of the same technology/type, I would just focus on making a custom EIR-FPLR
(not EIR-fPLR&dT) for each chiller, and use the library CAP-FT AND EIR-FT
curves. My understanding is the effects of temperature on capacity and
EIR outside of centrifugal VSD chillers is negligible. NOTE:
Whenever using any of the default library chiller performance curves, that
means you MUST normalize to and specify the chiller at ARI conditions – those
curves aren’t normalized to anything else.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So! If you can find the IPLV A, B, C and D values for both
chillers’ curves, you could come up with your EIR-FPLR curve coefficients (<u>curve
type = quadratic or cubic</u>) using a curve-fit in excel… or alternatively
make eQuest figure the coefficients by entering those points as raw data.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You may more easily just make your own curves, following John’s
advice and getting part load unloading curves (100%, 90%, 80%... etc) held at a
constant chilled & condenser temperature to match the ARI* conditions
(85CWT if this is water cooled) at which you’re specifying the chiller
capacity/EIR. Again, you could either go into excel, normalize the data
(review DOE2 help entry for EIR-FPLR), make a scatter chart, and get the
coefficients using a curve fit… or enter the data as raw points into eQuest and
the coefficients will be figured by eQuest… whatever makes more sense to you.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>For
others and personal future reference…. If you are looking to make an <u>EIR-fPLR&dT</u>
curve (for centrifugal chillers or otherwise): Ask your rep instead for
multiple (minimum 3) part load unloading runs, holding the delivered chilled
water temp constant, and vary the condenser water temperature incrementally for
each run (i.e. 85, 75, 65). Choose a range of CWT’s that cover the
anticipated range to be encountered in the actual design. This will get you
enough data to have the minimum 3 delta-T’s represented in your part load data
points to build this curve correctly. You’ll be using eQuest “raw-data”
entry method to make it generate the coefficients.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>~Nick</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>* Rather than ARI conditions (85F CWT), you could be normalizing
to Design condition EIR/CAP, provided you’re making a full set of custom curves
in the same fashion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>James
Waechter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 25, 2011 10:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] using IPLV in eQuest</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>John,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If
the only parameter Rohini enters into the program is the full-load EIR – which
he said is the same for both chillers – how will eQuest know to bend the curves
differently for the two chiller options. It is my understanding that
program would use the same chiller efficiency curves for both machines even
though their IPLVs are different.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>In
order to overcome this issue, are you saying Rohini should get chiller performance
data from each of the manufacturers and enter his own custom curves? I
recall there was a discussion on that topic a few months back.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Aulbach<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 25, 2011 9:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> R B; eQUEST Users List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] using IPLV in eQuest</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Won't happen. IPLV is a number which has one equation and 4
unknowns. Actually, three unknowns as you know the 100% point. You need a
manufacturer's curve run at 85F constant condenser water temperature. Let
eQuest do the curve bending after that. ARI curve won't work right.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> eQUEST Users List <equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Fri, February 25, 2011 7:25:18 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] using IPLV in eQuest</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi All, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I would like to compare two screw chillers with same full
load kW/ton and different IPLV kW/ton. I am using the full load number for the
EIR. Where can the IPLV number be used? Is there some way to scale the
performance curves to reflect different IPLV's?<o:p></o:p></p>
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