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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In those instances, I’d agree completely. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That said, common design I’ve encountered (in the Midwest) occasionally
involves conditioning elevator rooms with split DX systems (particularly when
internal to the building footprint) and/or the decision to condition kitchen makeup
air to one degree or another. Heavy loads in IT rooms might also fall into
this category of situations to consider…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So to be more specific: If you are modeling <u>conditioned</u> spaces
with significant (non-receptacle) process loads using above-standard HVAC
efficiencies, you may find it beneficial to your performance rating to include such
heat loads in those spaces (and explicitly model the associated HVAC), rather
than using a submeter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You also might find it too much work – and that’s not necessarily
a wrong decision either ;).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>Smith & Boucher Engineers</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
color:#CC9900'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913 344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913 345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="www.smithboucher.com"
title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Paul Diglio
[mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 24, 2011 3:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton; Bosch, Crina; Ravi Srinivasan<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Cooking Equipment and Elevators/ Exhaust
fans<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I would not be concerned that
there is a disadvantage to sub-meters because using separate meters removes the
internal loads from the HVAC system.<br>
<br>
In the Northeast, the elevator equipment rooms are generally exhausted with
maybe a unit heater for use during very cold weather. Kitchens use makeup
air and hood exhaust so the cooking equipment load does not trespass into the
building. Besides kitchens are seldom air-conditioned and the heating
load is minimal.<br>
<br>
Paul Diglio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nick Caton <ncaton@smithboucher.com><br>
<b>To:</b> "Bosch, Crina" <CBosch@karpinskieng.com>; Ravi
Srinivasan <ravi.s.srinivasan@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mon, January 24, 2011 4:37:50 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Cooking Equipment and Elevators/ Exhaust
fans</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The comment from the reviewer looks like a copy-paste job from
one of my recent models (maybe we got the same guy/gal?).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Applying the equipment loads to the spaces as you’ve initially
done is the intuitive thing to do, but for LEED you will run into issues coming
up with annual consumption totals and maximum demand figures analogous to other
energy enduses normally reported in the graphical outputs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As others are suggesting, I have specified non-receptacle
process loads as direct loads to one or more submeters. In doing so you
can get the analogous monthly consumption/demand quantities reported explicitly
through report PS-B, separate from your default gas/electric meters.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The disadvantage here (to the potential detriment in your
modeled performance) is that this method of reporting separately also removes
the associated internal loads from your buildings, which means you gain less
credit for any better-than-standard HVAC equipment handling those loads.
In the case of elevators, it may be negligible, but in the case of significant
kitchen equipment loads, you might want to run it defined each ways [submetered
for PS-B documentation but in the spaces for everything else] and explain the
reason for the separate simulation in the provided PS-B reports is because the
loads must be “isolated” from the building to meet such reporting demands, but
that this in turn skews the loads incident on the systems for the actual model
performance runs… </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>…but don’t jump through any extra hoops if removing those
internal loads doesn’t make a big difference ;)! </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In fact, Otto’s suggestion to politely advise the reviewer of
the issue and simply provide screenshots of the corresponding schedules/inputs
is interesting and something I might try myself, next time this particular
comment comes up – that may be the path of least resistance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~Nick</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=119 height=37 id="Picture_x0020_1"
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>Smith & Boucher Engineers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913 344.0036</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913 345.0617</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>www.smithboucher.com</span><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span></u><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bosch, Crina<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 24, 2011 2:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ravi Srinivasan<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Cooking Equipment and Elevators/ Exhaust
fans</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Thank you all for your suggestions and thoughts. I will try the
option with 2 meters and hopefully this will resolve my problem. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Sincerely, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Crina Bosch</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Ravi Srinivasan
[mailto:ravi.s.srinivasan@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 24, 2011 3:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Demba Ndiaye; Bosch, Crina<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Cooking Equipment and Elevators/ Exhaust
fans</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Well said, Demba.<br>
<br>
Crina, create two new meters (of "building" type) - one for Kitchen
and another for Elevator. Input kW and associated schedules as direct loads.<br>
Open the "utility" electricity meter (typically "EM1").
And, bring these two newly created meters within EM1. <br>
<br>
PS-B report should show energy use of Kitchen and Elevator separately. Ensure
you have these two meters and associated loads input in baseline and proposed. <br>
<br>
Best Regards.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Ravi Srinivasan, PhD<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Demba Ndiaye <<a
href="mailto:Demba.Ndiaye@setty.com" target="_blank">Demba.Ndiaye@setty.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Crina,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>For the
elevators, you can create a separate meter…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>_______________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Demba NDIAYE</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Otto Schwieterman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 24, 2011 3:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bosch, Crina; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Cooking Equipment and Elevators/ Exhaust
fans</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>My only
suggestion would be to perform a save-as and change the misc equipment energy
consumption to zero for the elevator (and then do it again for the kitchen) to
find the equipment usage and demand.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If your
independent fans are exhaust fans, I would do the same thing that I mentioned
above. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The reports in
eQUEST will not break out the equipment but you can write a narrative
explaining that eQUEST cannot separate these loads and explain your procedure.
I believe that the reviewer simply wants to make sure that the energy
consumption is the same for these items in the baseline and proposed model.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'> Bosch, Crina [mailto:<a
href="mailto:CBosch@karpinskieng.com" target="_blank">CBosch@karpinskieng.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 24, 2011 2:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Cooking Equipment and Elevators/ Exhaust fans</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=RO style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dear users, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=RO style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=RO style='font-size:10.0pt'>I received form USGBC
the following comment: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=RO style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>“The project contains
elevators and kitchen equipment in the actual design; however, the process
energy related to the elevator and kitchen equipment was not included in each
energy model, since Section 1.8 of the template does not include the process
energy consumption for elevator or kitchen equipment. Revise the Proposed and
Baseline models to include the process energy for elevator and kitchen
equipment in the appropriate space in the models. In addition, update the
template reflecting the changes.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The kitchen equipment and
elevators were input in the model under the equipment tab for each space as
designed but I couldn’t separate them in eQuest from the Misc. Equip under the
Consumption by Enduse Report or Demand Report. I verified everything I could
and see how I can spit them and the only thing I found was this: “<b>INTERIOR-EU
- Accepts a list of up to 10 code-words specifying the end-use category of the
INTERIOR-POWER. The code-words correspond to the end-use categories in the
end-use reports (PS-E, PS-F, BEPS, BEPU). Acceptable entries are LIGHTS,
TASK-LIGHTS, MISC-EQUIP, SPACE-HEATING, SPACE-COOLING, HEAT-REJECT,
PUMPS&AUX, VENT-FANS, REFRIG-DISPLAY, HT-PUMP-SUPPLEM, DOMEST-HOT-WTR, and
EXT-USAGE.</b> “</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>In the end I understand that
eQuest does not have the option of doing what the reviewer is asking for. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The reviewer also wants the
independent fans to be separated from the supply and return fans which I didn’t
find how. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Am I missing something here? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Your help is appreciated. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thank you.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Crina Bosch</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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