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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks Bruce and Jeremy,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Well, you’ve answered my question but I still have the same problem: how to account for edge-of-glass effects in eQUEST (the edge of glass U-value will be between the frame and COG values). Back to the drawing board I guess. Thanks for the responses.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alex Krickx<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Jeremy Goth [mailto:jngoth@hotmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> Alex Krickx<br><b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Window "Curb"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Go to your building shell and navigate to the space/roof/skylight in the component tree. Select the skylight then go to the spreadsheet tab on the right and find 'Skylight Surface - Curb - Performance'.<br> <br>Jeremy<br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=stopSpelling></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:00:19 -0500<br>From: bruce5@bellnet.ca<br>To: akrickx@seriousmaterials.com<br>CC: equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Window "Curb"<br><br></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> A curb is used to lift the window up off the roof and allow the window to be flashed and made water tight. It can be as simple as a 2x6 or 2x8 wood box. A complicated one would be a fully insulated wall tunnel through a roof truss system. It should be modelled as an exterior wall. There should be no edge of glass effect as all the glass should be inside the opening. There will be an edge/corner effect where the window frame sits on the curb.<br>Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>Abode Engineering<br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br>On 04/01/2011 04:12 PM, Alex Krickx wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Happy New Year! Well, to start off the new year, I have a question on what the “curb” is in the LV-H report. The placement of the information, and the fact that it has an area and U-value (much the way the window frame does) leads me to believe it may be to account for Edge-of-Glass effects (if you look at Window5 outputs it has COG U-values, frame U-values and edge-of-glass U-values).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I can’t see anywhere in the detailed edit mode to input curb information - I looked in both the “Glass Type Properties” and “Window Properties” Screens.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>I found the following info in the DOE2 help file, but it looks like it only applies to skylights? It also wasn’t clear if it was in fact for edge of glass, and how to add this information (I’m guessing in the INP file?). Thanks for any help.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>CURB -CONDUCT</span></b><a name="_Toc140138080"></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Conductance of the skylight curb, excluding the outside air film but including the inside air film. <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Notes:<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in'><span style='font-family:"Tms Rmn","serif"'>1. </span>You can define curbs only for exterior windows and skylights, not for interior windows.<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in'><span style='font-family:"Tms Rmn","serif"'>2. </span>If the CURB-HEIGHT is zero no curb calculations will be performed.<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in'><span style='font-family:"Tms Rmn","serif"'>3. </span>The curb area is <b>not</b> subtracted from the associated exterior wall area.<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in'><span style='font-family:"Tms Rmn","serif"'>4. </span>Each hour, the program adds the effect of a wind speed-dependent outside air film to the user specified CURB-CONDUCT.<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in'><span style='font-family:"Tms Rmn","serif"'>5. </span>The various elements of a curb (top, bottom, side, dividers, etc.) may have different conductances. In this case, CURB-CONDUCT should be an area-weighted average of the different elements.<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in'><span style='font-family:"Tms Rmn","serif"'>6. </span>The program finds the overall window conduction by adding curb, frame, edge-of-glass, and center-of-glass contributions. Thus, all three of these contributions are included in each of the following report quantities:<br> "Window Conduction" in summary reports LS-B, LS-C, LS-E, and LS-F;<br> "Window U-Value" and "Window Area" in verification report LV-D and LV-H;<br> WINDOW hourly report variable #1, "Window U-Value".<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in'><span style='font-family:"Tms Rmn","serif"'>7. </span>A WINDOW multiplier also multiplies the curb area.<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in'><span style='font-family:"Tms Rmn","serif"'>8. </span>Window fins and overhangs shade the curb as well as the glazing.<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in'><span style='font-family:"Tms Rmn","serif"'>9. </span>Shading devices, like blinds and drapes, that you specify using the WINDOW keywords SHADING-SCHEDULE and CONDUCT-SCHEDULE, affect only the glazed part of the window. They do not affect the heat conduction through the curb.<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in'><span style='font-family:"Tms Rmn","serif"'>10. </span>If the window has a setback, the curb is also set back by the same amount.<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Alex Krickx<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#262F13'>Alex Krickx, LEED AP</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:gray'>Building Energy Specialist</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><b>Error! 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