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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The dwelling <span class=GramE>units</span>
exception in Appendix G applies to “spaces in which lighting systems are
connected via receptacles and are not shown or provided for on building plans.”
You say you’ve worked hard to reduce lighting energy use, so presumably, you’ve
designed the lighting for the spaces and it appears on the plans. Therefore,
you are justified in using your actual lighting design for the proposed
building model, and the LPD value for the baseline, which should be 1.1 W/ft<sup>2</sup>
for living quarters per Table 9.6.1.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span></span></font><font size=1
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– the forest AND the trees.</span></font><font size=5 color=green
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Nick Caton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December 07, 2010
7:16 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Joe Snider;
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users]
dwelling unit / residential LPDs</span></font><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hey Joe,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If you’re looking to start
somewhere… I know the NEC (NFPA 70) lays out a clear method of
estimating dwelling unit lighting loads within Article 220. It starts off
seeming high (3W/SF), but there are heavy demand factors that vary with the
total calc’d load following within the same article: i.e. first 3,000 @
100%... 3,000 to 120,000 @ 35% etc…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>While I’ve yet to fall back on the
NEC as an energy modeling resource, I’m unaware of any better direct
source for residential lighting loads… I imagine if you dig hard enough,
one of the ASHRAE handbooks probably has something along these lines as well
that might give you a different sum.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I think ASHRAE Fundamentals does have a
clear thing or two to say regarding what percentage of the lighting load should
end up in a space vs. a plenum when you are talking about different lamp
sources (incandescent vs. CFL…) – something to be aware of if you
want to pursue this avenue.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joe Snider<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December 07, 2010
5:24 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Equest-users] dwelling
unit / residential LPDs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I
have reviewed the archives and found a few threads on this topic but
couldn’t find either good resolution, or a clear enough string to reply
to, so I thought I would re-post:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>ASHRAE
90.1 App G doesn’t let you include dwelling units in typical LPD
calcs. They say you need to plug in the same number for both proposed and
baseline.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>But
you can apparently pursue exceptional calcs to justify any cost savings in
LEED. But you need to show some kind of analysis as to how you chose a
baseline, such as a study or something presumably that shows typical w /sf for
residential.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>We
have worked very hard to reduce energy use in lighting in a few high-rise
residential projects and would like to be able to receive credit for that on
our energy model.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Has
anyone been through this with USGBC and / or know of a good resource for a
baseline w / sf for residential?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>In
advance, thank you very much. Great forum.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Joe
Snider<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color="#948a54" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#948A54'>Joe Snider, AIA, LEED
AP</span></font><font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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