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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Page 274 of </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'>BD+C 2009 Reference Guide directly
answers the question: 2.1 model the systems directly in the proposed
design energy model.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Now all I have to do is figure out how to
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>David Eldridge<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 24, 2010
1:13 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] FW:
Solar panels</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>My LEED-NC v2.2 Reference Guide p188 says
“On-Site Renewable Energy and Site-Recovered Energy costs are not
included in the Proposed Building Performance (this is a LEED for New
Construction exception to ASHRAE Standard 90.1 G2.4); therefore, these systems
receive full credit using the PRM”…examples include PV…</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>p264 of the BD+C 2009 Reference Guide has
a similar note about using harvested free energy for EAC1 performance.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>As far as CIRs I’m not sure, but
LEED has always been pretty clear that you count on-site renewable energy
production for both EAC1 and EAC2.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>David</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>David S. Eldridge,
Jr., P.E., LEED AP BD+C, BEMP, HBDP</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Alan Crittendon<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 24, 2010
12:07 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Equest-users] FW: Solar
panels</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I sent this yesterday but have a couple
more things to add:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]>how
does LEED deal with solar power and does Section G2.4 ASHRAE 90.1-2007 just
mean that you can't take credit for the utility buying back the extra energy or
cant model at all? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
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style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]>Has
there been any CIRs that discuss solar PV from LEED?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Arial Narrow"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow";color:navy'>Alan Crittendon,
PE, LEED AP</span></font><font size=2 color=navy><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'><br>
</span></font><font color=navy face="Swis721 Blk BT"><span style='font-family:
"Swis721 Blk BT";color:navy'>DW Collier Engineering, Inc.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Alan Crittendon
[mailto:<a href="mailto:alanc@dwcei.com">alanc@dwcei.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, November 23, 2010
1:28 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<a
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Solar panels</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Does ASHRAE 90.1 allow the use of solar panels when
calculating the proposed bldg? if so how do you model them?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Arial Narrow"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow";color:navy'>Alan Crittendon,
PE, LEED AP</span></font><font size=2 color=navy><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'><br>
</span></font><font color=navy face="Swis721 Blk BT"><span style='font-family:
"Swis721 Blk BT";color:navy'>DW Collier Engineering, Inc.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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