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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Eddie/Daka:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You might find a guide I posted a little while ago useful.
It detailed how to approach complicated exo-skeleton structures… Note
that building shades themselves have the restrictions of being (1) rectangles
and (2) un-tiltable, so that’s why I went through the extra steps to
create the shades as walls assigned to a dummy space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If the goal is ultimately to produce a series of rectangles, I’d
recommend creating a series of building shades however for sanity/simplicity’s
sake... =)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’ve copied the guide and preceding discussion below for
your convenience.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><img width=119 height=37 id="_x0000_i1038"
src="cid:image001.jpg@01CB8B33.1761A7E0" alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"></span><b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>Smith & Boucher Engineers</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
color:#CC9900'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913 344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913 345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="www.smithboucher.com"
title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span></u><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eddie
Corwin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> aida darghouth asli; Equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] modelling overhangs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hey, that is one of my projects! I
would recognize that one anywhere! What you are showing in the
picture are not overhangs, they are shading devices. They are created
using "Building Shades" or "Fixed Shades". On that
particular project it was very difficult and time
consuming placing so many shading devices (due to the complex geometry and
orientation). On a simpler geometry, it should not be a bit easier.
The shades can be found in the "Building Shell" tab. </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-Eddie</span></span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> aida
darghouth asli <darghouthasli.aida@gmail.com><br>
<b>To:</b> Equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wed, November 17, 2010 12:34:27 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] modelling overhangs</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Please, there is someone who know
how to model overhangs like in the picture attached here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Thank you for any assistance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>DAKA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=768 height=480 id="Picture_x0020_25"
src="cid:image002.png@01CB8B33.1761A7E0"></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b><span style='font-family:
"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick
Caton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Josh Greenfield<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Simple Building Shade Question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hey Josh,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Copying this response to the
community for everyone’s benefit – following is a mini-guide to how
one can handle building shading for superstructures. Everyone - this
guide may help you with any non-rectangular shading you may need to account for
in current/future projects. Read up from below to catch up on the whole
conversation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Alright! This is in its
own twisted way a kinda fun challenge =). You have to put on your M.C.
Escher hat and get creative making a tessellation!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>An cross or x-pattern of shading
is do-able by: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Copying a wall <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Offsetting from the
original by the appropriate amount (tweak the wall coordinates till it looks
offset right)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Check the wall
properties <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Self-shading –
Yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Shading Divisions -
40<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Copy and modify the
associated polygon to create the shape you want to repeat. Check your
work in the 3D view – note if the view goes black you can right-click and
‘reset camera.’ I experienced little caution messages on
entering the x-value for any new coordinate beyond the first 4, but just push
on through.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Save<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Create a dummy space
to assign this wall to by copying the original (we want to retain it’s
coordinates):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Right click the
parent space and copy the space<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Make it
unconditioned<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>c.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Default-out any
internal loads/scheduling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>d.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Give it a clever
name like ‘dummy zone’<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Re-assign the parent
space of the custom-shaped offset wall to the dummy space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>8.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>*<b>IMPORTANT TIME
SAVER</b>* Create (many) copies of your wall, but use the “link to
existing component” option. This will let you easily mess with the
shape or properties (like that shading division figure) later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>9.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Shift the copies by
editing their z-coordinates and x or y coordinates to make a repeating
pattern. Resulting example is below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>From here you can more quickly
do any other faces of your building as you’ll already have your polygon
set up. You’ll need to create unconditioned zones for your dummy
space(s) before a calculation will complete, by the way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Here’s an example:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=1084
height=891 id="Picture_x0020_15" src="cid:image003.png@01CB8B33.1761A7E0"
alt="cid:image005.png@01CB5978.13595400"></span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=119
height=37 id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CB8B33.1761A7E0"
alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"></span><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west
valley parkway</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913
344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913
345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>Check out
our new web-site @ </span></i><span style='color:#1F497D'><a
href="www.smithboucher.com" title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'> </span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nick Caton <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 20, 2010 4:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Josh Greenfield<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Simple Building Shade Question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi Josh!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Unfortunately I haven’t
yet found or come up with any easy/automated way to handle such shading, but I
don’t know enough to say it’s impossible either. If had to
crank out something immediately, I would suggest approximating the
‘X’ pattern superstructure with a ‘+’ pattern providing
equal shading coverage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>That said, I don’t think
there’s any option to make fixed/building shades angular, but you may be able
to modify other self-shading entities (like building walls) to have an
‘X’ shaped polygon… then assign them to a dummy Space -
I just explored the idea and the concept seems to work – screenshot to
come shortly ;)… <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’d like to share this
with the community, would that be okay with you?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=119
height=37 id="_x0000_i1034" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CB8B33.1761A7E0"
alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"></span><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west
valley parkway</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913
344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913
345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>Check out
our new web-site @ </span></i><span style='color:#1F497D'><a
href="www.smithboucher.com" title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'> </span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Josh Greenfield
[mailto:JGreenfield@primerachicago.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 20, 2010 3:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Simple Building Shade Question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hey Nick…did you ever find
a way to use non-rectangular polygons as fixed shading features??
I’m doing a skyscraper that has the super-structure on the outside
(“X” pattern from top to bottom) and it will provide a good deal of
solar shading to the project, but can’t seem to figure out how to model
that??!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>
<img border=0 width=144 height=29 id="Picture_x0020_5"
src="cid:image004.jpg@01CB8B33.1761A7E0" alt=Logo-CMYK-Resume><b><br>
Josh Greenfield</b>, </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.idfpr.com/dpr/WHO/pe.asp"><span
style='color:#1F497D'>PE</span></a>, <a
href="http://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/depts/bldgs/supp_info/chicago_energy_conservationcodeoverview.html"><span
style='color:#1F497D'>REP</span></a>, <a
href="http://www.gbci.org/main-nav/professional-credentials/credentials.aspx"><span
style='color:#1F497D'>LEED AP BD+C</span></a></span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>
Energy Services Manager<br>
Associate Vice President<br>
Primera Engineers, Ltd.<br>
312.242.6392 Direct<br>
jgreenfield@primerachicago.com</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#4F6228'><br>
<a href="http://www.primerachicago.com/"
title="blocked::http://www.primerachicago.com/"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#4F6228'>http://www.primerachicago.com</span></a></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick
Caton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 02, 2010 2:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Heather.Hardie-Hill@CH2M.com; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Simple Building Shade Question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Heather, your end results
pictured below are exactly the path I’m currently treading, and I am
hoping to find a more efficient/accurate way to pull this off for the future.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>A potential issue, as
you’re illustrating, is that “elbow” or
“courtyard” situations where the building perimeter is shaded on
different orientations by the same object sorta obviates the ideal case where
we could really use the ability to define a 3D object. Restricted only to
2D rectangular shades, intersecting 2 or more in a manner parallel to the
shaded faces (as you’ve done) seems the best compromise for the moment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The process I’m proposing
below, to (hopefully cleanly) import 2D polygon geometries and assign/reassign
them to be building shades is something I’d like to try given the time to
toy around with this further… you can count on me in any case to share
should I come up with a method that really seems to work =).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>As an illustration/teaser,
here’s something I threw together in 3.5 minutes (timed myself) using
Sketchup after a glance at Heather’s example. It would take me a
nominal amount of extra time to copy the same trees and scale them all around a
site given a landscaping plan to reference. Finding a bridge to import
those crossed 2D polygon shapes into equest would be a great leap in modeling
the effects of natural/manmade site shading to a more sophisticated degree
– if nothing else it might save a good deal of time and look cool
=). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=1151
height=738 id="Picture_x0020_4" src="cid:image005.png@01CB8B33.1761A7E0"
alt="cid:image003.png@01CB596D.A4CB3800"></span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=119
height=37 id="Picture_x0020_7" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CB8B33.1761A7E0"
alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"></span><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west
valley parkway</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913
344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913
345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>Check out
our new web-site @ </span></i><span style='color:#1F497D'><a
href="www.smithboucher.com" title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'> </span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
Heather.Hardie-Hill@CH2M.com [mailto:Heather.Hardie-Hill@CH2M.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 02, 2010 12:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Simple Building Shade Question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Nick,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I had the same issue a while back and never
found a really good solution. I believe that building shades are only defined
by rectangles. I used 2 crossed rectangles (as shown below) and then
assigned shading schedules based on the types of trees they were. If you figure
out a better way, PLEASE SHARE!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=372 height=209 id="Picture_x0020_8"
src="cid:image006.jpg@01CB8B33.1761A7E0"
alt="cid:image004.jpg@01CB596D.A4CB3800"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><strong><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:purple'>Heather Hardie-Hill<o:p></o:p></span></strong></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><em><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:gray;font-style:normal'>CH2M HILL</span></b></em><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><em><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray;font-style:normal'>Industrial &
Advanced Technologies</span></b></em><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>2020 SW Fourth Ave</span><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Portland, OR 97201</span><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <span lang=PT-BR><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick
Caton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Simple Building Shade Question</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b>Simple Building Shade Question:</b><b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Can these be defined as polygons? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b>Bonus Question (or, where am I going with this?):<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Is it feasible to crunch a file containing only 2D shapes through
GBS to create an *.inp so we can be import these polygons/coordinates in the
correct format, which we could then assign to individual linked building
shades, subsequently defining a shading schedule?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I wood tree-ly like to know (hint hint!!!)…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>~Nick<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=119 height=37 id="Picture_x0020_1"
src="cid:image001.jpg@01CB8B33.1761A7E0" alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"><b><span
style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west
valley parkway</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913
344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913
345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>Check out
our new web-site @ </span></i><span style='color:#1F497D'><a
href="www.smithboucher.com" title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'> </span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
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