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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks
Eddie,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As
a trial, I ran my proposed design again with the system type set to Packaged
Single Zone. This increased my heating usage and decreased the savings to ~75%.
Out of curiosity I started a new project again and set my parameters in the
wizard to a split system single zone heat pump (residential) and ended up with packaged
variable volume variable temperature for my system type in detailed mode. Any
advice on what system type I should be specifying and why the difference are
there? I looked to the help file and found very little except the table
outlining the different system types. Is there a layer I am missing?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also,
how would I go about backing the fan power out of my efficiencies as was
suggested in another response?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I
have attached my .inp and .pd2 files if anyone has some time to take a quick
look.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Eddie Corwin
[mailto:ecorwin@altanova-energy.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 08, 2010 3:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert Stephenson; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Excessive Heating Savings<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>My
first guess would be to look into the residential systems further.  Read
the topic on this particular system in the help file.
 As far as I can remember, this system will automatically, reduce
the set point temperatures, and flow rates
(or something similar) based on the occupancy.  This can provide
significant savings, especially if you have a low occupancy rate.
 So I would start from there. If you attach you input file, we (the
online community) can take a look at it hopefully find the true issue.  </span></span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>-Eddie<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Robert
Stephenson <rstephenson@southface.org><br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mon, November 8, 2010 2:25:18 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Excessive Heating Savings</span><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Hello All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I am having some issues with
modeling the heating and cooling systems in mid-rise multifamily buildings. I
have a number of these projects and they all use similar and fairly simple
systems, a single split system heat pump serving each dwelling unit. When
modeling these projects I have followed the guidelines from Appendix G with
additional guidance from the ENERGY STAR High Rise program’s simulation
guidelines. No matter the project location, I am getting heating savings that
seem very out of whack with the upgrades made in the proposed design (higher
efficiency HVAC, better windows, upgraded insulation, etc.), the particular
model I am looking at now has heating savings over 90%.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>An outline of my system inputs
follows. I developed this approach based on the guidelines discussed above,
past listserv discussions, and the input of other local energy modelers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='color:black'>Proposed Model</span></u><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>        
</span><span style='color:black'>System type set to Residential System 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>        
</span><span style='color:black'>System capacities based on actual design<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>        
</span><span style='color:black'>Electric Input Ratios<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-family:
"Courier New";color:black'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>   </span><span
style='color:black'>Cooling<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>EIR=((1/(SEER*0.778+1.4)-0.012167)/((1/3.413)+0.012167)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>SEER
14 yields 0.227 CEIR<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-family:
"Courier New";color:black'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>   </span><span
style='color:black'>Heating<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>EIR=
(1/((HSPF*0.28+1.13)*3.412)-0.012167)/((1/3.412)-0.012167)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>HSPF
7.7 yields 0.274 HEIR<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>        
</span><span style='color:black'>Fan Power set to zero given that fan power is
accounted for in SEER and HSPF efficiency ratings<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='color:black'>Baseline Model</span></u><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>        
</span><span style='color:black'>System type set to PTHP, Packaged Terminal AC
with heat pump heating, per Appendix G and ENERGY STAR simulation guidelines.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>        
</span><span style='color:black'>System capacities set by equest, 15% oversized
for cooling and 25% for heating<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>        
</span><span style='color:black'>Electric Input Ratios<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-family:
"Courier New";color:black'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>   </span><span
style='color:black'>Cooling<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>EER
per 90.1: EER = 12.3-(0.213*Cap/1000)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Capacity
set to 15,000 Btu/hr yields 9.1 EER<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>EIR=
(1/EER-0.012167)/((1/3.413)+ 0.012167)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Yields
0.32 CEIR<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='font-family:
"Courier New";color:black'>o</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>   </span><span
style='color:black'>Heating<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>EIR=
3.2-(0.026*Cap/1000)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Capacity
set to 15,000 Btu/hr yields 2.81 COP<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>EIR=1/COP<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in'><span style='color:black'>Yields
0.356 HEIR<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'>·</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black'>        
</span><span style='color:black'>Fan Power set to zero given that these are
packaged units<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Outside air rates, infiltration
levels, and supplemental heating are set identically in both models. The only
other issue of note is that the proposed design has unit heaters (electric
resistance heat) in the stairwells, which I have modeled as PTHPs in the
baseline design with heating only. I would assume this would be a loss for the
proposed design, though negligible, given the increased efficiency of the PTHPs
versus electric resistance, but I’m not seeing that reflected in the results.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>If anyone has advice on what I
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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