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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I also ascribe to the method of deleting redundant roofs
post-wizard…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>On a related note – I recently noticed the option to
define distinct roof/wall constructions in the wizards for each zone within a
single shell (this may or may not be new to 3.64?)… The pull-downs for
this are in the second shell DD wizard screen after clicking the zone
characteristics button.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Has anyone played with this? If it’s possible to define zones
with/without roofs in that visual interface that may be a more time-efficient
method than doing it post-wizards, and particularly useful for those “wizard-bound”
studies that are necessary sometimes due to time constraints. It’s something
on my to-do list to explore, but I’d like to hear if anyone has used this
feature successfully for such a purpose =).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carol Gardner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 29, 2010 12:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jeremy McClanathan<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Different roof and floor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Even better would be to learn
how to add/delete roofs in the DD edit mode so that you don't have to go
through any gyrations. It's not that hard to do. It's something that I teach
people who do classes on line with me. Let me know if you are interested.<br>
<br>
Carol<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2010/10/29 Jeremy McClanathan <<a
href="mailto:jmcclanathan@cdiengineers.com">jmcclanathan@cdiengineers.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>Another option is to save your model with a diff name, go
into the wizard of your new model and create two zones, one for the area below
the second shell and one more for the surrounding area. Set the HVAC
system to create a system per zone so the program will automatically create two
plenums and associated roofs. Set mode to detailed, copy the two plenum
zones, spaces (and associated walls and roofs), and polygons from the new model
and replace the plenum in your original model with the new plenums once the
original model is in the detailed edit mode. Then, delete the roof of the
plenum under the second shell.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>This only works if your original model has plenums, and
only one plenum per floor. If you have a simple shape or only a few
zones, this may be over-kill. But, if your footprint has a lot of
vertices or you have a lot of zones that would otherwise need to be broken up,
this method may be a time saver.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>Jeremy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>
Charles Land [mailto:<a href="mailto:cland@geo-marine.com" target="_blank">cland@geo-marine.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 29, 2010 6:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bruce Easterbrook; σΑΝΟΜ£ΤΟΧ νΙΘΑΙΜ<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Different roof and floor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>I always use the roof and floor designation in the wizard
of below conditioned space and over conditioned space. And then any area
that is not directly under the second floor I make it a separate shell with the
appropriate roof. I suppose either method would work, but if you have a
lot of spaces it could become tedious having to go through the construction of
each one individually.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Bruce Easterbrook<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 29, 2010 9:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> σΑΝΟΜ£ΤΟΧ νΙΘΑΙΜ<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Different roof and floor.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p> One way is to make the zoning on the first floor line up with the
second floor foot print. This I think, is the best way if the second
floor is a complex shape. The addition of a roof or it's deletion can be
geometrically tricky to do if it spans only part of a zone. I have found
lining up the zones with the foot print an easier solution. You may have
to add a few extra zones to get the matching shape. You delete the roof
under the foot print. If the zoning doesn't match your HVAC zones you can
adjust the zone grouping so that it does. Turn any interior walls into
air walls if they don't actually exist on the first floor. You may also
have to adjust or delete the floor of the second story as the ceiling of the
first floor is floor of the second floor. Check through your layers to
make sure they are consistent with the actual construction. Make sure
your boundaries are referencing the proper adjacent zones. This is the
technique, and may not exactly match what you are doing, you will have to check
through everything to make sure everything is consistent.<br>
Bruce Easterbrook<br>
Abode Engineering<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 29/10/2010 02:48 AM, σΑΝΟΜ£ΤΟΧ νΙΘΑΙΜ wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:14.0pt'>Hi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:14.0pt'>I have 2-storey building. The 1st storey in a plan is
not like the 2nd one. That’s why I created 2 shells (one above the
other). For the 1st storey I have created a roof (because part of a ceiling is
outside the building). And for the 2nd storey I have created a floor. Parameters
of the roof of 1st story and the floor of the 2nd story are different! During
the calculation the eQUEST will calculate Heat Flux through the ceiling/floor. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt'>How eQUST calculate it if ceiling of the 1st storey is
not the same as the floor of the 2nd storey?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
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question not so important, but if condition has big different - this question
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