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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Yalin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am currently working in Equest to LEED-certify a project in
Denmark.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What you are telling below is that I am not allowed to use the U-value
that I get from the manufacturer (European) of the windows ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>And if that is true, does anyone then know a method to convert European
U-values to the American standards?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>I guess there must be a approximate relationship? And that it
would be fair to use that method?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>På vegne af </b>Yalin Uluaydin<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 21. oktober 2010 17:15<br>
<b>Til:</b> Berke Çelikel; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org;
bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Emne:</b> Re: [Equest-users] u factors with NFRC certification or u factors
according to european norms<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:blue'>Berke,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>U-values calculated according to ISO/EN 10077 and EN673 (for center
of glass) use European boundary conditions which are 0 degrees C exterior and
20 degrees C interior. NFRC requires -18C and 21C therefore u-value results
will be different.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Yalin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Berke
Çelikel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 21, 2010 5:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] u factors with NFRC certification or u factors
according to european norms</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span lang=EN-US
style='color:#1F497D'>Just a small question. I have glazing with its frame
which you can see as an attachment. You can see the overall u factor (
glazing+frame) at the pdf file. But as you can understand it has certified and
calculated according to the European norms. (The thermal transmission
coefficients were figured for insertion elements and windows (Uw) according to
EN 10077-1:2006 and for curtain wall (Ucw) in compliance with EN 13947:2006.) I
mean our fenestration with u factors, SHGC or visible light transmittance did
not determine, certify and label in accordance with NFRC 100, 200, and
300. But we have European norm certifications. In that case I will not allowed
to use the u factor value in the pdf ( which is 1,81 W/m2.K) for the NFRC u
factor value of the building simulation software (e quest). ?? Is that
correct? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span lang=EN-US
style='color:#1F497D'>In this condition, do I have to use the figures mentioned
in table A8.1A/B, table A8.2 for the proposed design ?? It means my windows are
not certified or labeled and I will use worse u factors for the simulation but they
are produced according to the European norms and we can see these information
from the manufacturer specification. I have checked CIR section of the LEED
online and I have seen a similar problem happened for the Japan
norms.(fenestration has certified according to the Japan standards and LEED
accepted that case)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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