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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>U-values calculated according to ISO/EN 10077
and EN673 (for center of glass) use European boundary conditions which are 0
degrees C exterior and 20 degrees C interior. NFRC requires -18C and 21C
therefore u-value results will be different.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Berke Çelikel<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 21, 2010
5:52 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Equest-users] u factors
with NFRC certification or u factors according to european norms</span></font><font
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Just a small
question. I have glazing with its frame which you can see as an attachment. You
can see the overall u factor ( glazing+frame) at the pdf file. But as you can
understand it has certified and calculated according to the European norms.
(The thermal transmission coefficients were figured for insertion elements and windows
(Uw) according to EN 10077-1:2006 and for curtain wall (Ucw) in compliance with
EN 13947:2006.) I mean our fenestration with u factors, SHGC or visible light
transmittance did not determine, certify and label in accordance with
NFRC 100, 200, and 300. But we have European norm certifications. In that case
I will not allowed to use the u factor value in the pdf ( which is 1,81 W/m2.K)
for the NFRC u factor value of the building simulation software (e
quest). ?? Is that correct? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>In this condition, do
I have to use the figures mentioned in table A8.1A/B, table A8.2 for the
proposed design ?? It means my windows are not certified or labeled and I will
use worse u factors for the simulation but they are produced according to the
European norms and we can see these information from the manufacturer
specification. I have checked CIR section of the LEED online and I have seen a
similar problem happened for the <st1:country-region w:st="on">Japan</st1:country-region>
norms.(fenestration has certified according to the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Japan</st1:place></st1:country-region> standards and LEED accepted
that case)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Comments ????<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Regards <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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