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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Brian, this interesting. What about the humidity
properties? Does the DOAS pass on the Return air humidity level, too? Can you
tell me where the explanation about the DOAS return air being assigned to terminal
air OSA input is located in the eQuest literature? It might hint at the humidity
conditions. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:windowtext'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Brian Fountain<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 20, 2010
9:23 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] DOAS
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Remember that eQUEST doesn't <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>really</span></i> do DOAS yet. All it does is
set the OA temperature for the borrowing zone using the OA-FROM keyword to the
RA temperature of the "lending" system (which is why it has to come
first on the system list). <br>
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I really hope this changes in future releases! <br>
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On 10/19/2010 7:25 PM, Carol Gardner wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Are you willing to share
your .inp and .pd2 input decks? I would take a quick look if you are.<br>
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Carol<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Fleming, Joe <<a
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I know
this topic has been beaten like..., but the results I have been getting for the
## hours on a model with several DOAS's are horrible, (getting a little
delirious at this point). There is a DOAS for each system with a
different schedule than the next. Each DOAS has an ERV which operates
with a DH of 2.0btuh/hr in cool/heat and float. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I feel
like the problem is within the dummy zone or the schedules. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>When I
assign the DOAS air to the SZRH unit as OA from System the cooling load shoots
up by about 50%, (even when I remove the ERV the results are similar, increased
cooling). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The
building is in a moderate climate zone.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The
DOAS fan schedule is set to on at the same time as the SZRH unit.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The
heating energy is reduced when I assign the DOAS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The
problems I see are, to list a few;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The
dummy zone has all of its hours outside of the throttling range no matter how
it is assigned and no matter what the t-stat schedule I assign.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The
load doesn't budge once I remove the DOAS from the model, only when I add it to
the SZRH unit as OA from system.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The
DOAS does not show any heating load, only cooling load all year long (again
moderate climate with cold seasons).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>DOAS's
have been done before without this problem, maybe adding too much info this
time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><u><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>*How
is the DOAS operating in eQuest?</span></font></u><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Taking
a stab I assume it is bringing in the OA and cooling it or heating it to
whatever the temperature set-points are. Depending on the schedules the
temp could be floating most of the time. The air is then brought into
your secondary system at set-point or floating point. The OA from the
zones attached to the secondary system are replaced by the OA from the DOAS.
(?) Then the secondary system does its thing as usual. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>(Not
sure what is happening with the dummy zone? Does DZ care it gets any
air? Looks like it does because of the unmet hours. Does the
secondary system pick up the air from the DOAS after it has traveled through a
space and picked up load? The dummy zone has no load but it's temp is
always above 85.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Now
for the cooling to be increasing, the air must be coming in to the secondary
system warmer than usual during cooling hours. (usual being the raw
temperature of uncond outdoor air). But the results seem extreme.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>For
the heating to be decreasing the air must be coming in warmer than usual for
the secondary system, which it is based on SS-O.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Does
anyone have experience with this and what could be going wrong? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><u><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>*Or,
can someone link me to a basic DOAS goby? </span></font></u><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I have
searched the archives but many of the DOAS questions have gone unanswered in
the past.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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