I agree with Omar, especially if you let eQUEST autosize your cfm/sf. It sets it a .5 cfm/sf which in my experience is almost always too low. <br><br>Carol<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Omar Katanani <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:omar@ecoconsulting.net">omar@ecoconsulting.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Chris,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Your building has 14 underheated zones.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Go to “Tools”, “Quality
Control Reporting…”, then click the “QC Details” tab,
and then select “Show Errors Only”.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Check section 6: Zone Control and Equipment
Sizing.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">What I usually do is that I increase the
supply flow rate for each of these 14 zones. This is the best option to solve
the issue of unmet loads in my opinion.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Best,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US"><div class="im">-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Chris Swanson<br>
</div><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US">20
October 2010</span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US">21:35</span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> </span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US">Pasha
Korber-Gonzalez</span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US">; Kelsey VanTassel<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> </span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] Unmet
Heating Hours - ES</span></font></div></div><div><div></div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Attached are both
the .pd2 & .inp files. I will look into the suggestions below in the
meantime.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Chris Swanson</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Roger D. Fields
& Associates</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">(614) 451-2248</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US">
Pasha Korber-Gonzalez [mailto:<a href="mailto:pasha.pkconsulting@gmail.com" target="_blank">pasha.pkconsulting@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US">Wednesday,
October 20, 2010</span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US">2:27
PM</span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Kelsey VanTassel<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Chris Swanson;
<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] Unmet
Heating Hours - ES</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">It sounds like the heated air is not being allowed to
go where there is a call for conditioning, have you checked your system reports
too? it might have to do with your system & temp scheduling. Can you
send your .pd2 & .inp file both so that we can open your file in eQuest?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">thanks,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">On </span></font><span lang="EN-US">Wed, Oct 20, 2010</span><span lang="EN-US"> at </span><span lang="EN-US">12:22 PM</span><span lang="EN-US">, Kelsey VanTassel <<a href="mailto:KVanTassel@sustaineng.com" target="_blank">KVanTassel@sustaineng.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Make sure that your
thermostat type is appropriate. Use Reverse Action if you want to allow the
supply flow in heating mode to rise above the minimum flow ratio, otherwise use
Proportional. Also try reducing the cool control range from 4 deg to 1 deg.</span></font></p>
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Tassel</span></font></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;" lang="EN-US">Mechanical Engineer | <a href="mailto:kvantassel@sustaineng.com" target="_blank">kvantassel@sustaineng.com</a></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Chris Swanson<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">Wednesday, October 20, 2010</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">1:16 PM</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Equest-users] Unmet
Heating Hours - ES</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">All,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">I am modeling a two-story elementary school with a VRV
/ DOAS system in one area (classrooms, admin.), and a VAV system in another
(gym, cafeteria, food prep.). The unmet heating hours are currently
around 750, and I am at my wit’s end to reduce them further. I have
incorporated suggestions such as increasing the throttling range (currently at
6, helped a little bit) and sizing ratio (currently at 1.15, although
increasing to 2.00 did not help much). As I have also tried my best to
model the VRV / DOAS system, I’m still not sure if it is correct…
I’ve just picked up what I could from the users archives.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">Does anyone have suggestions for reducing the unmet
heating hours that I may not be aware of? I have attached the .inp
file. Can anyone see glaring mistakes in the model?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">Thanks,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-weight: bold;" lang="EN-US">Chris Swanson</span></font></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">Roger D. Fields & Associates</span></font></p>
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