I can't believe that this model can be done without modeling each exposure as required by App G. You need to model at least the 4 exposures per floor unless you are modeling a teeny building, which this is not. Then the donut hole problem goes away. On the subject of donut holes, I'd avoid them because when you put 2 vetices "close" you create a series of errors, e.g. exterior walls that should be interior walls, etc. Not worth it.<br>
<br>Carol<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Nick Caton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com">ncaton@smithboucher.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I’d like to echo and add to Andrew’s illustration:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I’ve used this approach often to make wraparound zones/shells in
the past. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Something to note is that Andrew has a vertex highlighted in the
screenshot below which I learned can be a time-saver, so is important to think
about when preparing your CAD reference. Try to make a point to define a
vertex at each corner of the “donut hole,” even if you don’t need to to make
the shape. This will create a separate partition/exterior wall where the two “face-to-face”
partitions exist, so that you can easily modify (or delete) them later in detailed
as may be necessary.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">You can fake a donut zone though. The vertices just need
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can not make a "Doughnut" zone. you will need
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the "Core/Shell Zoning pattern that is available in the wizard works well.
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I am creating a 20 floor building and the core is defined. i am trying to
create the zones within the core and the large single zone surrounding the
core. I am unable to create 1 single zone surrounding the core because the
wizard does not allow you to select the same vertex twice in a single zone. Is
there anyway around this <br>
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