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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Nick,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I don’t know but check this out <a href="http://www.infraredradiant.com/">http://www.infraredradiant.com/</a> I was giving all kinds of solutions just in case.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>PETER HILLERMANN<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Gothic Demi";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'><a href="mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com">peterh@westallarchitects.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:75%'><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:75%;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Md","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>westall</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:75%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:4.0pt;line-height:75%'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:75%;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Md","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>architects</span></b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:75%;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>3404 pierce drive<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>chamblee, georgia 30341<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>o 770.458.4113<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>f 770.458.5352<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>c 678.898.2936<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Std Bk","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde Gothic Demi";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'>westallarchitects.com</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:1.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=160 height=87 id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image002.jpg@01CB5026.29F766D0" alt=e-signature><img border=0 width=92 height=90 id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image003.gif@01CB5026.29F766D0" alt=USGBC-Logo><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nick Caton [mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 09, 2010 1:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> Peter Hillermann; BLafley; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Infrared Heaters<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Bill/Peter:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I might be missing something, but this is the sort of equipment I think of when someone says infrared heater: <a href="http://www.spaceray.com/1_infrared-tube-heaters.php">http://www.spaceray.com/1_infrared-tube-heaters.php</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Commonly found in auto garages and open-air outdoor venues.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If you’re asking about how to model gas/electric radiant heaters of this sort in eQuest – I think you’ve got a definite challenge. You could play the custom-space-heat-source-scheduling game for hours on end… but I would first suggest trying a unit heater (gas or electric as appropriate) with a fan kW/CFM of zero or nearly-zero – see if that works without errors. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The way this equipment really works is interesting/tricky to us modelers because it does not need to heat the space air to what we’d normally call “comfortable” temperatures as the heat can hit your skin and warm you up without heating the air around you. You might account for this by modifying the zone heating schedule (the target air temperature) to a lower figure – though I’m not sure off the top of my head what would be an appropriate figure – any suggestions?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>~Nick<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=119 height=37 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image004.jpg@01CB5026.29F766D0" alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT";color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, E.I.T.</span></b><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT";color:#2D4D5E'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900'>PROJECT ENGINEER</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#CC9900'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>olathe ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913 344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913 345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E'>Check out our new web-site @ </span></i><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="www.smithboucher.com" title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'> </span></u><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Peter Hillermann<br>Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:27 PM<br>To: 'BLafley'; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Infrared Heaters<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Bill,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I just read about the infrared heater. If you are using people and equipment<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>to absorb heat and reradiate it, you have to rely on your schedules to tap<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>into that calculation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I am totally guessing because I have never tried to set renewable energy to<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>a personal and equipment schedule. I'm sure it can be done however when you<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>look at heat generation from people it can vary from 450 BTU to 2500 BTU so<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>good luck. I would probably go to ASHRAE and look at the thermal comfort<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>data for process and heat generation of people and use the same numbers they<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>have set to those processes. Look at the equipment you are using and see<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>what it does. Add it all together and subtract from total energy that the<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>building is consuming.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Man that is complicated, best of luck to you my friend.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>PETER HILLERMANN<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="mailto:peterh@westallarchitects.com">peterh@westallarchitects.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>westall<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>architects<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>3404 pierce drive<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>chamblee, georgia 30341<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>o 770.458.4113<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>f 770.458.5352<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>c 678.898.2936<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>westallarchitects.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>From: equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Peter<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Hillermann<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:42 PM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>To: 'BLafley'; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Infrared Heaters<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Bill,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Do you have a chart that shows how much renewable energy the unit consumes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>and then uses to create heat? What you need to do is create the item in 2<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>parts. Its renewable component, which might be a solar collector and then<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>you set up a radiant heater in the room either as baseboard or as your<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>system in that zone.The thing that I have noticed while modeling is there<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>are 2 things you are looking at.. products in your building and how they<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>consume energy, by amount and efficiency. The second is what are you doing<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>to replace the energy... renewable or are you pulling it from the grid. The<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>model does not care where it comes from as long as when you use the<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>renewable it is as efficient as you say it is. I typically use PVWatt<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>calculator and do manual calculations because someone taught me that. You<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>can also set up a collector in the utility&economics tab under photovoltaic<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>modules. This is where you will need the solar information on your<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>collector.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>The weather file needs to be correct because this is where it is pulling<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>your solar radiation data from watts/meter squared or watts/feet squared.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Hope this helps. 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