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<p class=MsoNormal>Bill/Peter:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I might be missing something, but this is the sort of
equipment I think of when someone says infrared heater: <a
href="http://www.spaceray.com/1_infrared-tube-heaters.php">http://www.spaceray.com/1_infrared-tube-heaters.php</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Commonly found in auto garages and open-air outdoor venues.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>If you’re asking about how to model gas/electric
radiant heaters of this sort in eQuest – I think you’ve got a
definite challenge. You could play the custom-space-heat-source-scheduling
game for hours on end… but I would first suggest trying a unit heater
(gas or electric as appropriate) with a fan kW/CFM of zero or nearly-zero –
see if that works without errors. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>The way this equipment really works is interesting/tricky to
us modelers because it does not need to heat the space air to what we’d
normally call “comfortable” temperatures as the heat can hit your
skin and warm you up without heating the air around you. You might
account for this by modifying the zone heating schedule (the target air
temperature) to a lower figure – though I’m not sure off the top of
my head what would be an appropriate figure – any suggestions?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Peter
Hillermann<br>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:27 PM<br>
To: 'BLafley'; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Infrared Heaters<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>Bill,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>I just read about the infrared heater. If you are using
people and equipment<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>to absorb heat and reradiate it, you have to rely on your
schedules to tap<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>into that calculation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I am totally guessing because I have never tried to set
renewable energy to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>a personal and equipment schedule. I'm sure it can be
done however when you<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>look at heat generation from people it can vary from 450
BTU to 2500 BTU so<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>good luck. I would probably go to ASHRAE and look at the
thermal comfort<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>data for process and heat generation of people and use
the same numbers they<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>have set to those processes. Look at the equipment you
are using and see<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>what it does. Add it all together and subtract from total
energy that the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>building is consuming.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Man that is complicated, best of luck to you my friend.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>PETER HILLERMANN<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>peterh@westallarchitects.com<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>westall<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>architects<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>3404 pierce drive<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>chamblee, georgia 30341<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>o 770.458.4113<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>c 678.898.2936<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>westallarchitects.com<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>From: equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] On
Behalf Of Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Hillermann<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:42 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>To: 'BLafley'; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Infrared Heaters<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Bill,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Do you have a chart that shows how much renewable energy
the unit consumes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>and then uses to create heat? What you need to do is
create the item in 2<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>parts. Its renewable component, which might be a solar
collector and then<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>you set up a radiant heater in the room either as
baseboard or as your<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>system in that zone.The thing that I have noticed while
modeling is there<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>are 2 things you are looking at.. products in your
building and how they<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>consume energy, by amount and efficiency. The second is
what are you doing<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>to replace the energy... renewable or are you pulling it
from the grid. The<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>model does not care where it comes from as long as when
you use the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>renewable it is as efficient as you say it is. I
typically use PVWatt<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>calculator and do manual calculations because someone
taught me that. You<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>can also set up a collector in the utility&economics
tab under photovoltaic<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>modules. This is where you will need the solar
information on your<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>collector.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>The weather file needs to be correct because this is
where it is pulling<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>your solar radiation data from watts/meter squared or
watts/feet squared.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Hope this helps. (Easier to do by hand)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>PETER HILLERMANN<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>peterh@westallarchitects.com<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>westall<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>architects<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>3404 pierce drive<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>chamblee, georgia 30341<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>c 678.898.2936<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>westallarchitects.com<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>From: equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] On
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<p class=MsoPlainText>Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 10:22 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>To: equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Subject: [Equest-users] Infrared Heaters<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>Hello,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>Does anyone have any experience modeling ceiling hung
infrared heaters in<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>eQuest?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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