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<DIV>A word of caution however- direct application of that approach assumes a 100% efficient multi-zone heat transfer; something real life never gives us.  </DIV>
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<DIV>We have successfully used the procedure outlined for determining coincident heating and cooling loads; but have been careful not to report savings beyond the higher individual zone efficiencies, because we have <U>not found any reliable empirical data</U> verifying high multi-zone efficiencies (how efficiently the system moves heat from a cooled space to a heated one via a refrigerant branch selector) for the VRV systems we've explored (Mitsubishi and Daiken).</DIV>
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<DIV>The little bit of unbiased multi-zone data-logging we know of (EWEB 2008?) was disappointing and certainly didn't suggest multi-zone efficiencies anywhere near the manufacturer claims.  </DIV>
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<DIV>VRV systems unquestionably offer superior part-load efficiencies, COPs and SEERs (this we've logged); and usually warrant inclusion for that reason alone; but modellers might be wise to watch how much weight they put into the reportedly high zone to zone heat transfer efficiencies, for now at least.  </DIV>
<DIV>The multi-zone concept is fabulous, and the technology is no doubt advancing to help better realize it.</DIV>
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<DIV>None of the case studies our Oregon VRV suppliers provided us (and we admittedly quickly lost steam in that pursuit) included any actual in-situ data-logging.  </DIV>
<DIV>All were based on either historical records that included other end-uses, or computer models already assuming the claimed multi-zone efficiencies.</DIV>
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<DIV>Here's hoping there's someone out there with some recent VRV data-logging to share.</DIV>
<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>J#</DIV>
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<DIV>Sharpe Energy Solutions<BR>Ashland, OR, USA </DIV>
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<DIV>-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] VRF Systems<BR>From: "Rimes, Christie" <<A onclick="if(window.location==top.location){Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=Christie.Rimes%40wspfk.com');}else{top.Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=Christie.Rimes%40wspfk.com');}; return false;" href="mailto:Christie.Rimes@wspfk.com" target=_blank mce_href="mailto:Christie.Rimes@wspfk.com" _onclick="if(window.location==top.location){Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=Christie.Rimes%40wspfk.com');}else{top.Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=Christie.Rimes%40wspfk.com');}; return false;" mce_onClick="if(window.location==top.location){Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=Christie.Rimes%40wspfk.com');}else{top.Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=Christie.Rimes%40wspfk.com');}; return false;">Christie.Rimes@wspfk.com</A>><BR>Date: Thu, September 02, 2010 12:06 pm<BR>To: "Enrique Chavez-Castro" <<A onclick="if(window.location==top.location){Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=echavez-castro%40aesc-inc.com');}else{top.Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=echavez-castro%40aesc-inc.com');}; return false;" href="mailto:echavez-castro@aesc-inc.com" target=_blank mce_href="mailto:echavez-castro@aesc-inc.com" _onclick="if(window.location==top.location){Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=echavez-castro%40aesc-inc.com');}else{top.Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=echavez-castro%40aesc-inc.com');}; return false;" mce_onClick="if(window.location==top.location){Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=echavez-castro%40aesc-inc.com');}else{top.Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=echavez-castro%40aesc-inc.com');}; return false;">echavez-castro@aesc-inc.com</A>>,<BR><<A onclick="if(window.location==top.location){Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=equest-users%40lists.onebuilding.org');}else{top.Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=equest-users%40lists.onebuilding.org');}; return false;" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target=_blank mce_href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" _onclick="if(window.location==top.location){Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=equest-users%40lists.onebuilding.org');}else{top.Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=equest-users%40lists.onebuilding.org');}; return false;" mce_onClick="if(window.location==top.location){Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=equest-users%40lists.onebuilding.org');}else{top.Popup.composeWindow('pcompose.php?sendto=equest-users%40lists.onebuilding.org');}; return false;">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</A>><BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" mce_style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I would like to know if eQuest has the capability to simulate VRF systems.<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif" mce_style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif"></SPAN></DIV>
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