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*UNUSED* means the system you choose doesn't use the ECONO-LOW-LIMIT
keyword. Therefore, adding a value to the keyword will not make any
difference to the results. <br>
You can get a great, detailed overview of all the keywords and where they
apply if you spend some time going through BDLKEY.OUT.
Unfortunately, the equest interface allows you to quickly generate a
model before you have any understanding of the underlying DOE22 engine
and the myriad of keywords that equest assumes you need to use.<br><br>
<br><br>
At 06:13 PM 26/08/2010, Carol Gardner wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">If you have an economizer you
had better put the econo-low-limit temperature in. It is necessary. You
can access help screens in DD edit also. Once again I encourage you to
read the on line help using the pull down menu. I do believe
econo-low-limit temp is available in the wizards too.<br><br>
<br>
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Adrian Gurga
<<a href="mailto:gurga@illinois.edu">gurga@illinois.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
<dl><br>
<dd>Chris,<br><br>
<dd>I understand. For some reason it appears that the wizards will
sometimes generates a DOE2 input which doesn't include the
econo-low-limit line and thereby generates a warning. I'm not sure what
causes this to happen, but as long as the model runs without it, I won't
bother. Thanks for direction to the DOE2 definitions file, that's the one
I was looking for. It describes in detail what econo-low-limit is used
for and it probably isn't relevant to my purposes. I think we can
call this case closed.<br><br>
<dd>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Otto Schwieterman
<<a href="mailto:oschwieterman@fhai.com">oschwieterman@fhai.com</a>
> wrote:<br>
<dl><br>
<dd>I would tweak it in the detailed edit mode because it is very
unlikely that you can get good results by simply using the wizard. There
are too many major variables that you cannot change in the wizard. You
might as well pick the cost/energy consumption via experience if you are
not going to go into the detailed edit mode. <br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>If you simply need eQUEST to spit something out so you have results
to show I would ignore the econo-low-limit but remember that the results
mean nothing.<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>From:</b> Adrian Gurga
[<a href="mailto:gurga@illinois.edu" eudora="autourl">
mailto:gurga@illinois.edu</a>] <br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38 PM<br>
<dd>To:</b> James Hansen<br>
<dd>Cc:</b>
<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT =
*UNUSED*<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Excellent. Thanks James. And yes, it's up to us to figure
out how to use it, which I think qualifies as "no
support". I'm sure the programmers responsible for the
software are perfectly competent, and I did not mean to suggest
otherwise. I suppose what I really meant to say was that the
software has no customer support, which is understandable because it's
free. <br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Now back to the model. So one would have to go into the
detailed mode in order to change this parameter? If one was to work
with a model only via the DD wizard as we sometimes do for order of
magnitude estimates, would it be OK to leave ecnono-low-limit unused? or
would this result in inaccurate results?<br><br>
<dd>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM, James Hansen
<<a href="mailto:JHANSEN@ghtltd.com">JHANSEN@ghtltd.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br>
<dd>See below. Also, the technical support isn’t “very poor”, it’s
just that the people working on technical issues are actually
programmers. It’s up to us to figure out how to use it
properly.<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
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<dd>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of
</b>Adrian Gurga<br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:13 PM<br><br>
<br>
<dd>To:</b>
<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT =
*UNUSED*<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Carol,<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>With all due respect, "Only to input the temperature and to look
at your help screen." is not a complete sentence. Please reply
using English if you'd like to post on a listserv. If you have
advice on how to address this warning, please provide it.
Additionally, "Flaming"
(<a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flaming">
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flaming</a>) is a behavior
typically reserved for prepubescents on chat forums, not professional
listservs. Please show some professional courtesy in your
responses. Now, let's move forward amicably and discuss the actual
topic of the post.<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>All,<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>We all know that as eQUEST is free software, it has very poor
technical support which is why listservs like this exist. Here is
the research I've done so far. Inputting a seach for
"econo-low-limit" or even just "econo" in the eQUEST
helpfile produces no results. Are there "pull down help
menus" which discuss this topic as Carol suggests? If so,
please direct me to them. Googling "econo-low-limit"
produces one relevent hit other than this listserv, a user poses the same
question I have, but is issue is never resolved
(<a href="http://www.energymodelhelp.com/SMF/index.php?topic=107.0">
http://www.energymodelhelp.com/SMF/index.php?topic=107.0</a> ). A
search of "econo-low-limit" on this listserv will yield five
results. In four of these, "econo-low-limit" is simply
listed as an input, in the fifth, it is suggested as a way of
manipulating the model. However, I cannot find anywhere on this
listserv where the warning "econo-low-limit" = unused has been
discussed. Therefore, I assume it's a reasonable to post and and I
hope it will be helpful to future users. <br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>I can't figure out where to specify an econo-low-limit in the DD
wizard, if I need to go into the detailed edit to address this, please
let me know where that variable is edited. I have attempted to edit
the files manually in notepad to specify an econo-low-limit, so far have
had no luck, but truthfully I'm not too experienced with manual
edits. If anyone could provide some assistance with where to edit
this parameter, it would be appreciated. Alternatively, if this
warning does not have detrimental impact on the outputs, I will just
ignore it.<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Thanks for your thoughts and comments.<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>-- <br>
<dd>Adrian Gurga<br>
<dd>Smart Energy Design Assistance Center<br>
<dd>University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign<br>
<dd><a href="http://www.sedac.org/">www.sedac.org</a><br>
<dd>(217) 244-4671<br>
<dd>(800) 214-7954<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Carol Gardner
<<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com">cmg750@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br>
<dd>That was polite, Jason. Users of this list need to be responsible
enough to at least look at the pull down help menus before asking a
question on the listserv, It is impolite and wasteful of everyone's time
to not do so. I have sympathy for someone who is learning but if they
really care to learn this skill and be in the business they need to learn
to at least try to find the answers they need. Perhaps the college
systems have changed, which would be a shame, but when I was in school I
had to research and find my own answers. Since I'm older than dirt we
didn't have listservs, Google, or any of those useful tools that now make
finding answers so much easier.<br><br>
<dd>I rest my case,<br><br>
<dd>Carol<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Jason Glazer
<<a href="mailto:jglazer@gard.com">jglazer@gard.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br>
<dd>Carol,<br><br>
<dd>The eQUEST-user mailing list is for users of all experience
levels:<br><br>
<dd>"The eQUEST-users mailing list is for everyone that uses
the eQUEST program. Users at every experience level are encouraged to
join this mailing list and share their questions and knowledge. Users of
the DOE-2.2 and D2Comply are also welcome. The mailing list will be a
user-to-user support forum for eQUEST, DOE-2.2, and
D2Comply."<br><br>
<dd>We appreciate your contribution but please either reply politely or
not at all.<br><br>
<dd>Jason<br><br>
<br><br>
<dd>On 8/26/2010 9:29 AM, Carol Gardner wrote:<br>
<dl><br>
<dd>Only to input the temperature and to look at your help screen. This
is<br>
<dd>something you really should be able to figure out yourself. If you
can't<br>
<dd>try another profession.<br><br>
<dd>Carol<br><br>
<dd>On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Adrian Gurga
<<a href="mailto:gurga@illinois.edu">gurga@illinois.edu</a><br><br>
<dd><<a href="mailto:gurga@illinois.edu" eudora="autourl">
mailto:gurga@illinois.edu</a>>> wrote:<br><br>
<dd> I am working with a model and am working with the
following warning<br>
<dd> whenever it runs the BDL Load File Log<br><br>
<dd> Line 1336: Warning Encountered:<br>
<dd> INPUT-TYPE COEFFICIENTS ..<br>
<dd> ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*<br><br>
<dd> Any ideas?<br><br>
<dd> --<br>
<dd> Adrian Gurga<br>
<dd> Smart Energy Design Assistance Center<br>
<dd> University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign<br><br>
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