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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I would tweak it in the detailed edit mode because it is very
unlikely that you can get good results by simply using the wizard. There are
too many major variables that you cannot change in the wizard. You might as
well pick the cost/energy consumption via experience if you are not going to go
into the detailed edit mode. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you simply need eQUEST to spit something out so you have results
to show I would ignore the econo-low-limit but remember that the results mean
nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Adrian Gurga
[mailto:gurga@illinois.edu] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Hansen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Excellent. Thanks James. And yes, it's up to us
to figure out how to use it, which I think qualifies as "no support".
I'm sure the programmers responsible for the software
are perfectly competent, and I did not mean to suggest otherwise.
I suppose what I really meant to say was that the software has no
customer support, which is understandable because it's free. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Now back to the model. So
one would have to go into the detailed mode in order to change this parameter?
If one was to work with a model only via the DD wizard as we sometimes do
for order of magnitude estimates, would it be OK to leave ecnono-low-limit unused?
or would this result in inaccurate results?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM, James Hansen <<a
href="mailto:JHANSEN@ghtltd.com">JHANSEN@ghtltd.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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support isn’t “very poor”, it’s just that the people
working on technical issues are actually programmers. It’s up to us
to figure out how to use it properly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Adrian Gurga<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:13 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Carol,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>With
all due respect, "<span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Only to input the
temperature and to look at your help screen." is not a complete sentence.
Please reply using English if you'd like to post on a listserv. If
you have advice on how to address this warning, please provide it.
Additionally, "F</span>laming" (<a
href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flaming" target="_blank">http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flaming</a>) is
a behavior typically reserved for prepubescents on chat forums, not
professional listservs. Please show some professional courtesy in
your responses. Now, let's move forward amicably and discuss the
actual topic of the post.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We
all know that as eQUEST is free software, it has very poor technical support
which is why listservs like this exist. Here is the research
I've done so far. Inputting a seach for "econo-low-limit" or
even just "econo" in the eQUEST helpfile produces no results.
Are there "pull down help menus" which discuss this topic as
Carol suggests? If so, please direct me to them. Googling
"econo-low-limit" produces one relevent hit other than this listserv,
a user poses the same question I have, but is issue is never resolved (<a
href="http://www.energymodelhelp.com/SMF/index.php?topic=107.0" target="_blank">http://www.energymodelhelp.com/SMF/index.php?topic=107.0</a> ).
A search of "econo-low-limit" on this listserv will yield five
results. In four of these, "econo-low-limit" is simply listed
as an input, in the fifth, it is suggested as a way of manipulating the model.
However, I cannot find anywhere on this listserv where the warning
"econo-low-limit" = unused has been discussed. Therefore, I
assume it's a reasonable to post and and I hope it will be helpful to future
users. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I
can't figure out where to specify an econo-low-limit in the DD wizard, if I
need to go into the detailed edit to address this, please let me know where
that variable is edited. I have attempted to edit the files manually in
notepad to specify an econo-low-limit, so far have had no luck, but truthfully
I'm not too experienced with manual edits. If anyone could provide some
assistance with where to edit this parameter, it would be appreciated.
Alternatively, if this warning does not have detrimental impact on the
outputs, I will just ignore it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks
for your thoughts and comments.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#888888'>Adrian Gurga<br>
Smart Energy Design Assistance Center<br>
University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign<br>
<a href="http://www.sedac.org/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0658B5'>www.sedac.org</span></a><br>
(217) 244-4671<br>
(800) 214-7954</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Carol Gardner <<a
href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>That
was polite, Jason. Users of this list need to be responsible enough to at least
look at the pull down help menus before asking a question on the listserv, It
is impolite and wasteful of everyone's time to not do so. I have sympathy for
someone who is learning but if they really care to learn this skill and be in
the business they need to learn to at least try to find the answers they need.
Perhaps the college systems have changed, which would be a shame, but when I
was in school I had to research and find my own answers. Since I'm older than
dirt we didn't have listservs, Google, or any of those useful tools that now
make finding answers so much easier.<br>
<br>
I rest my case,<br>
<br>
Carol<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Jason Glazer <<a href="mailto:jglazer@gard.com"
target="_blank">jglazer@gard.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Carol,<br>
<br>
The eQUEST-user mailing list is for users of all experience levels:<br>
<br>
"The eQUEST-users mailing list is for everyone that uses the eQUEST
program. Users at every experience level are encouraged to join this mailing
list and share their questions and knowledge. Users of the DOE-2.2 and D2Comply
are also welcome. The mailing list will be a user-to-user support forum for
eQUEST, DOE-2.2, and D2Comply."<br>
<br>
We appreciate your contribution but please either reply politely or not at all.<br>
<br>
Jason<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 8/26/2010 9:29 AM, Carol Gardner wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Only
to input the temperature and to look at your help screen. This is<br>
something you really should be able to figure out yourself. If you can't<br>
try another profession.<br>
<br>
Carol<br>
<br>
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Adrian Gurga <<a
href="mailto:gurga@illinois.edu" target="_blank">gurga@illinois.edu</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><mailto:<a
href="mailto:gurga@illinois.edu" target="_blank">gurga@illinois.edu</a>>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
I am working with a model and am working with the following
warning<br>
whenever it runs the BDL Load File Log<br>
<br>
Line 1336: Warning Encountered:<br>
INPUT-TYPE COEFFICIENTS ..<br>
ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*<br>
<br>
Any ideas?<br>
<br>
--<br>
Adrian Gurga<br>
Smart Energy Design Assistance Center<br>
University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign<o:p></o:p></p>
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