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    On the energy design resources website
    (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.energydesignresources.com">www.energydesignresources.com</a>) there is a design guideline called
    "HVAC Simulation Guidelines" which includes a section on "energy
    efficient chillers" and has a procedure for developing custom
    chiller curves for DOE-2 -- including a table to send to the
    manufacturer to get the required information.<br>
    <br>
    There is also the CoolTools spreadsheet tool which also generates
    the DOE-2 curve coefficients -- but I haven't played with it much so
    will let others comment on its use/applicability to screw
    compressors.<br>
    <br>
    On 8/18/2010 1:26 PM, Mohammad Almasri wrote:
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      <div dir="ltr">Dear Paul,
        <div>how I can get those data points to build the
          EIR-fPLR&DT curve? is it available in the manuals and
          chillers data sheets? or I should ask it from the suppliers
          directly?</div>
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        <div>Please advice,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Mohammad Al-Masri</div>
        <div>Simulation Engineer</div>
        <div>LEED AP BD+C, CAPM</div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Paul
            Riemer <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com">Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                      color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If you ask a
                      manufacturer's rep how a chiller unloads at part
                      load, the answer might be "good".  So I suggest
                      you specifically
                      request part load points at 10% intervals with and
                      without AHRI condenser relief. 
                      That should enable you to make or confirm both the
                      EIR-fPLR&DBT and the EIR-fCHWT&DBT
                      curves.  </span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                      color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If you want to go even
                      deeper, you could ask for those part load
                      points at different chilled water supply
                      temperatures and then make or confirm a
                      Cap-fCHWT&DBT curve.  That seems like
                      overachieving to me, but my chilled
                      water supply temperatures rarely deviate very far
                      from AHRI standard conditions.</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                      color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Good luck,</span></p>
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                      color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b><span
                        style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(95, 87, 79);">Paul
                        Riemer, PE, LEED AP</span></b><span
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                    </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
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                      Mechanical</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:
                      10pt; color: rgb(95, 87, 79);">Direct:
                      612-465-7696</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;
                      color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: rgb(196,
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                      Celebrating 50 Years of Service</span><span
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                          style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
                        style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a
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                          href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
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                        [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
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                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carol
                        Gardner<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:22 AM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Mohammad Almasri<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:eQUEST-users@onebuilding.org"
                          target="_blank">eQUEST-users@onebuilding.org</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modeling
                        Variable Speed Air Cooled Screw
                        Chillers</span></p>
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                        margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0.5in;">Mohammad,<br>
                        <br>
                        You will need to ask the manufacturer for
                        information on how the chiller
                        unloads at part load so you can create an
                        EIR-FPLR curve of your own. That
                        shouldn't be too hard. It looks like there's no
                        problem with having the water
                        from the chillers flow using variable speed
                        pumps so that part's there if you
                        want it. Let me know if you need help creating a
                        curve.<br>
                        <br>
                        Carol</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;">On
                          Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:54 AM,
                          Mohammad Almasri <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:malmasri@ems-int.com"
                            target="_blank">malmasri@ems-int.com</a>>
                          wrote:</p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;">Hi
                          all,<br>
                          <br>
                          How we can model a Variable Speed "Air Cooled"
                          Screw Chillers in
                          eQUEST? The<br>
                          available variable speed chillers curves in
                          eQUEST are only for the<br>
                          centrifugal .<br>
                          <br>
                          Thanks,<br>
                          <br>
                          Mohammad Al-Masri<br>
                          Simulation Engineer<br>
                          LEED AP BD+C, CAPM<br>
                          <br>
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                        -- <br>
                        Carol Gardner PE</p>
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