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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bruce, the heat wheel shown in the eQuest
Outdoor Air Heat Recovery tabs is only part of the packaged desiccant unit. As
far as I know, the eQuest Outdoor Air Heat Recovery tabs 1 and 2 have no
performance curves associated with them. If there are performance curves
associated with the heat wheel shown in these tabs, please e-mail me their
names. The packaged desiccant unit I am trying to model has a proprietary heat
wheel and exhaust heaters that dry out the incoming air more effectively than a
regular heat wheel. This is why I wanted to use the eQuest Packaged Desiccant
tab. I am beginning to believe that this tab is not functional and so I will
probably have to modify the Add On Desiccant tab liquid heat pump curves if I
am going to get anywhere. Thanks for trying.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:windowtext'> Bruce Easterbrook [mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 18, 2010
9:09 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Kathryn Kerns<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] eQuest
Activating the Packaged Desiccant Option</span></font><font color=black><span
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<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
The DOAS will be the system you need to add the ERV to. I normally do
this in the DD wizard and that was what the previous instructions were
for. Take a copy and go back to the DD wizard, it will warn you that you
are going to lose information you have added in the detailed edit and you
will. Go back anyway, you have a copy to use later in the detailed
edit. Follow my instructions to turn on the ERV, you may or may not want
to set it up as stand alone, that will depend on how you are modelling your
system. Once you have the enthalpy wheel turned on you should be able to
select your custom curve and replace the default one Equest is using. Run
your simulation and then compare your run in the wizard to your detailed edit
file. Before you start adjusting the detailed edit file make another
copy. You should be able to look at your summary sheets on the 2 runs and
determine which settings are different and adjust the detailed edit so it is similar
the the output of the DD wizard. I have never done it this way but I
think once you create a template in the DD wizard to refer to you should be
able to spot the differences in the detailed edit and make changes to get you
back on track. You might also steal portions of the INP file from the DD
wizard and place them in the detailed edit. If you don't have too much
information in the detailed edit added you could just restart with the DD
wizard. Make sure you use copies so you don't lose what you have.
Also note a DOAS can be tricky in Equest. Make sure your difficulties are
not due to how you have modelled it. Good luck.<br>
Just as a general observation, don't get into the detailed
edit too quickly. The DD wizard should handle 95% of all situations, if
you can't get it to run in the DD wizard going into the detailed edit will just
magnify your problems. I stay here and continually go back into the DD
wizard to tune my model. If you don't add anything in the detailed edit
you have nothing to lose. To do this go to the project & site tab, go
to the top and select mode, select wizard data edit. Using this method I
incrementally build my model, making sure each addition runs. It makes it
easier to find errors because you add to the model in sections. If it
doesn't run you have a smaller number of variables to work on to get it
running. I just use the detailed edit to modify control points etc to
fine tune everything but that can also be done by going back into the wizard.<br>
Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
Abode Engineering<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On 18/08/2010 11:26 AM, Kathryn Kerns wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</xml><![endif]-->Bruce, I am trying to enable the Packaged Desiccant option in
Detailed Edit. The system I want to model is a packaged unit to be added to a
DOAS. This unit contains proprietary desiccant wheels and heaters. It has
performance curves. I wish to make performance curves and activate them in the
Detailed Edit mode Packaged Desiccant tab. The curves that I made show up as
selectable in the Packaged Desiccant tab, along with other curves, but I
can’t get any of these curves to appear as a selected in the Packaged
Desiccant tab. I can’t get any of the curves selections that show up in
the drop down menus on this tab to select, either. I also can’t access
the library or create selection that shows up in the drop down menu.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So my question is, what do I need to do to
get the Packaged Desiccant tab to work?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:black'>Kathryn Kerns</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:windowtext'> Bruce Easterbrook [<a href="mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca">mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca</a>]
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 18, 2010
6:08 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Kathryn Kerns<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Brian Fountain; <st1:personname u4:st="on"><a
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></st1:personname><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] eQuest
Activating the Packaged Desiccant Option</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I'm
not quite sure what you are getting at or want to do. Speculating I would
assume you are working with outside air and heat recovery. If that is the
case, in the DD wizard, under the air side HVAC tab right click on your system,
select properties. Go to outdoor air, heat recovery 1, ERV device
installed, select yes, in the pop-up select enthalpy wheel. You can also
select stand alone in one of the tabs as well. There are various
performance items you can specify, and I would assume Equest would then allow
you to select a performance curve as well.<br>
Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
Abode Engineering<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On 17/08/2010 06:34 PM, Kathryn Kerns wrote: <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I can do that, and indeed I activated the the liquid
heat pump option to get some idea what kind of dew point I was looking for. But
that is not really what I want and the solid desiccant doesn't option doesn't
have curves you can adjust (at least none that I could find). So you can't get
the Packaged Desiccant to work either? Anyone else have success?</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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Fountain [<a href="mailto:bfountain@greensim.com" moz-do-not-send=true>mailto:bfountain@greensim.com</a>]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tue 8/17/2010 2:06 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Kathryn Kerns<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" moz-do-not-send=true>equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] eQuest
Activating the Packaged Desiccant Option</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I could not enable the packaged desiccant curves but
setting the "maximum humidity" value on the basics tab of the system
enables the Desiccant Performance Curves and you can set your add on desiccant
type to Solid Vent Air 1 and select the appropriate control mode/configuration
to (hopefully) give you the closest system.<br>
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Good luck!<br>
<br>
Kathryn Kerns wrote: <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Does anybody know how to activate the Packaged
Desiccant option in eQuest? I have created some curves that I think might work
and they show up as part of the possible selectable curves when I click on
the Packaged Desiccant Tab curves individually, but I can't get the Design
Wizard to select this curve or indeed, any curve from the possible list that
appears. What am I missing? Some other part of another tab that needs to be
activated? If so, where? I just assumed that this option worked and if I could
make curves, I could use it. Maybe it doesn't work? If this is true, I am going
to be peeved.</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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