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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks for your prompt responses<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The mfg of this technology claim that since the temp difference
b/n surface 3 & 4 is zero or minimal, there is no heat transfer out through
the windows. In addition the radiant nature of the heat allows the room
temperature to be set lower.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This particular company claims a u-value of 0.14 in non-heated
state. I tried creating such a low u-value dual pane IGU using WINDOW5 and was
unable to get that. So I created it directly in eQuest using simplified glass
type method. Now will try adding the radiant heating as electric baseboard as
suggested.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.iqglass.com/products_iqglass/products_specs.html">http://www.iqglass.com/products_iqglass/products_specs.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I agree w/ Nick’s comment. In addition I wouldn’t think the
window would be in heating mode all the time. I would need to figure out when
to trigger the heating.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Namrata <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cell: 408-893-3729<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nick Caton
[mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sami, Vikram; Sam Mason; Bishop, Bill; Namrata Vora;
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>On further thought, I think the equipment referenced would
be over-simplified if you just modeled an electric baseboard (that was my
intuitive reaction also – a few beat me to the punch)…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>The “efficiency” of these units, meaning the btu/h delivered
to the space for every input kW, is going to vary hourly (probably dramatically)
based on the outside-to-interior temperature difference. If it’s -10F
outside and 70F inside, these are going to lose a ton of the input heat to the
exterior for the amount desired heat flowing inside – heat will flow
proportionately to where it’s coldest.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Time allowing, I’d propose achieving a much higher degree of
modeled accuracy by defining a series of equipment loads, each with <u>a
custom multiplier schedule</u> (even if the units in reality are under some
kind of thermostatic control) to account for when the units would be turned on.
This would be more work, but then you’re able to define a distinct
sensible HG ratio to account for the fraction of heat actually entering the
space (instead of lost to the exterior). As you can define up to 5 separate
equipment load/schedule combinations for one space, you could come up with a
weighted efficiency to apply to the SHG ratio for up to 5 different blocks of
time. Further explanation: This would involve creating hourly
reports to compare the hourly exterior temps to the target heating temp for the
interior, for the times the units would be operating, and to use that info to
figure out an hourly efficiency for the system based on how much heat would
actually find it’s way into the interior zone. Those hourly results could
be used to come up with weighted SHG ratio values for 5 blocks of time.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>On a related note, I’ve got a question for everyone:
Does anyone know of any workaround (aside from extensive excel
number-crunching) to apply an ON/OFF/TEMP schedule to an equipment or internal
energy load?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>On another tangent, for my own education, am I wrong to
consider heated glass as an intrinsically <u>inefficient</u> approach to space
heating? It seems most appropriately applied as a “band-aid” or “patch”
solution to a decision to put too much glazing where drafts will cause
discomfort. One of the previous links has a claim: “When installed as
part of a zone heating strategy, heated windows can actually reduce the overall
energy consumption of a building by decreasing dependence on an inefficient
HVAC system.” Wouldn’t this need to be a <u>terribly</u> inefficient
heating system to compare unfavorably to a heating element losing >50% of
its energy to the exterior? I’m concerned I might be missing something
fundamental for HVAC design here… =/<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>~Nick<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>NICK CATON, E.I.T.<o:p></o:p></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sami,
Vikram<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sam Mason; Bishop, Bill; Namrata Vora; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I stand corrected – it is a good U-Value <span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b>Vikram Sami</b>, LEED AP<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>Sustainable Design Analyst<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>1382 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta,
GA 30309<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>t:
404-443-7462 f: <span lang=ES>404.892.5823 </span>
e: vikram.sami@perkinswill.com <a href="http://www.perkinswill.com/">www.perkinswill.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:3.0pt;text-autospace:none'><b>Perkins+Will.</b>
Ideas + buildings that honor the broader goals of society<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Sam Mason [mailto:sam.mason@atelierten.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sami, Vikram; Bishop, Bill; Namrata Vora;
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Vikram,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>The conversion from W/sq.m.-K to Btu/hr-sq.ft.-F is 5.68.
This gives a U-value of 0.162 Btu/hr-sq.ft.-F.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I would like to see a study of the energy consumption of
this window compared to a building with normal low-e IGU and actual radiators. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Sam<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'>Sam
Mason<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'>Atelier
Ten<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sami,
Vikram<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bishop, Bill; Namrata Vora; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I’m a little curious – is 0.92 W/m2k a good U-value? Just
poking around on online converters – it looks like the IP version of that is
around 0.56 or something in that region – doesn’t seem spectacular (you get
0.25 with a lot of double pane low-e IGUs). Unless the 0.922 is for the entire
glazing assembly – in which case its around the same as other glass types. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I might have got the conversion factor wrong. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b>Vikram Sami</b>, LEED AP<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>Sustainable Design Analyst<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>1382 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta,
GA 30309<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>t:
404-443-7462 f: <span lang=ES>404.892.5823 </span>
e: vikram.sami@perkinswill.com <a href="http://www.perkinswill.com/">www.perkinswill.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:3.0pt;text-autospace:none'><b>Perkins+Will.</b>
Ideas + buildings that honor the broader goals of society<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bishop,
Bill<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Namrata Vora; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Namrata,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I would model the heating as electric baseboards and select
a glazing type based on the U-value and SHGC.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Bill<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>William Bishop, PE, BEMP, LEED<sup>®</sup> AP |
Pathfinder Engineers & Architects LLP<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Mechanical Engineer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>134 South Fitzhugh Street<span style='font-size:9.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal>wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>www.pathfinder-ea.com<span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Webdings;
color:green'>P</span><span style='color:green'> </span><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Namrata
Vora<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span class=apple-style-span>How
does one model active heating windows like the ones listed below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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