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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>On further thought, I think the equipment referenced would be
over-simplified if you just modeled an electric baseboard (that was my
intuitive reaction also – a few beat me to the punch)…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The “efficiency” of these units, meaning the btu/h delivered to
the space for every input kW, is going to vary hourly (probably dramatically)
based on the outside-to-interior temperature difference. If it’s -10F outside
and 70F inside, these are going to lose a ton of the input heat to the exterior
for the amount desired heat flowing inside – heat will flow proportionately to
where it’s coldest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Time allowing, I’d propose achieving a much higher degree of
modeled accuracy by defining a series of equipment loads, each with <u>a
custom multiplier schedule</u> (even if the units in reality are under some
kind of thermostatic control) to account for when the units would be turned on.
This would be more work, but then you’re able to define a distinct sensible HG
ratio to account for the fraction of heat actually entering the space (instead
of lost to the exterior). As you can define up to 5 separate equipment
load/schedule combinations for one space, you could come up with a weighted
efficiency to apply to the SHG ratio for up to 5 different blocks of time. Further
explanation: This would involve creating hourly reports to compare the hourly
exterior temps to the target heating temp for the interior, for the times the
units would be operating, and to use that info to figure out an hourly
efficiency for the system based on how much heat would actually find it’s way
into the interior zone. Those hourly results could be used to come up with
weighted SHG ratio values for 5 blocks of time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>On a related note, I’ve got a question for everyone: Does
anyone know of any workaround (aside from extensive excel number-crunching) to
apply an ON/OFF/TEMP schedule to an equipment or internal energy load?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>On another tangent, for my own education, am I wrong to consider
heated glass as an intrinsically <u>inefficient</u> approach to space heating? It
seems most appropriately applied as a “band-aid” or “patch” solution to a
decision to put too much glazing where drafts will cause discomfort. One of the
previous links has a claim: “</span>When installed as part of a zone heating
strategy, heated windows can actually reduce the overall energy consumption of
a building by decreasing dependence on an inefficient HVAC system.<span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>” Wouldn’t
this need to be a <u>terribly</u> inefficient heating system to compare unfavorably
to a heating element losing >50% of its energy to the exterior? I’m concerned
I might be missing something fundamental for HVAC design here… =/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sami,
Vikram<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sam Mason; Bishop, Bill; Namrata Vora; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I stand corrected – it is a good U-Value </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Vikram Sami</span></b><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>, LEED AP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Sustainable Design Analyst<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>1382 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta, GA
30309<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Sam Mason
[mailto:sam.mason@atelierten.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sami, Vikram; Bishop, Bill; Namrata Vora;
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Vikram,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The
conversion from W/sq.m.-K to Btu/hr-sq.ft.-F is 5.68. This gives a U-value of
0.162 Btu/hr-sq.ft.-F.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
would like to see a study of the energy consumption of this window compared to
a building with normal low-e IGU and actual radiators. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sam<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'>Sam
Mason<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas'>Atelier
Ten<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sami, Vikram<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bishop, Bill; Namrata Vora; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’m a little curious – is 0.92 W/m2k a good U-value? Just poking
around on online converters – it looks like the IP version of that is around
0.56 or something in that region – doesn’t seem spectacular (you get 0.25 with
a lot of double pane low-e IGUs). Unless the 0.922 is for the entire glazing
assembly – in which case its around the same as other glass types. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I might have got the conversion factor wrong. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Vikram Sami</span></b><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>, LEED AP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Sustainable Design Analyst<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>1382 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta, GA
30309<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>t: 404-443-7462
f: </span><span lang=ES style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:gray'>404.892.5823 </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'> e:
vikram.sami@perkinswill.com </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.perkinswill.com/"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray;text-decoration:none'>www.perkinswill.com</span></a></span><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Perkins+Will.</span></b><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'> </span><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#ADD425'>Ideas +
buildings that honor the broader goals of society</span><span style='font-size:
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bishop, Bill<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Namrata Vora; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] (no subject)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Namrata,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I would model the heating as electric baseboards and select a glazing
type based on the U-value and SHGC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Medium Cond","sans-serif";
color:black'>William Bishop, PE, BEMP, LEED<sup>®</sup> AP </span></b><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Medium Cond","sans-serif";
color:#006600'>|</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Medium Cond","sans-serif";
color:black'> Pathfinder Engineers & Architects LLP<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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color:black'>Mechanical Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>134 South Fitzhugh Street</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
color:navy'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Rochester, NY 14608</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:navy'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>T: (585) 325-6004 </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Ext. 114</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
color:navy'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>F: (585) 325-6005</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>www.pathfinder-ea.com</span><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Webdings;
color:green'>P</span><span style='color:green'> </span><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;color:green'>Sustainability – less is more.</span><span style='color:
green'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Namrata Vora<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] (no subject)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span class=apple-style-span>How
does one model active heating windows like the ones listed below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.iqglass.co.uk/p/h/Products/U_Values_%26_Benefits/218/">http://www.iqglass.co.uk/p/h/Products/U_Values_%26_Benefits/218/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://www.thermiquetech.com/about_heated_glass.html">http://www.thermiquetech.com/about_heated_glass.html</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Namrata Vora<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>408-893-3729<o:p></o:p></p>
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