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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Adam,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>They cannot be modeled directly,
nor credibly well indirectly.  TRNSYS, EnergyPlus, IES and a few others are
more appropriate tools for this.  If you choose to not model the rest of the
building in these programs, you could potentially (depending on system
configuration) have the two software “communicate” loads/performance from one to
another.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

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  style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#660000;text-transform:uppercase'>Paul Erickson</span></b><b><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#333333'>  </span></b><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#333333'>LEED® AP <br>
  </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;text-transform:uppercase'>SR.
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  style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#660000'>AEI</span></b><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adam M.
McMillen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Radiant ceilings<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Does anyone know if equest can
model radiant ceilings (for heating and cooling)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Adam McMillen, LEED AP BD+C<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Mechanical Engineer | <u><a href="mailto:mcmillenam@kjww.com"><span
style='color:black'>mcmillenam@kjww.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></u></span></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>1100
Warrenville Road, Suite 400W | Naperville, Illinois 60563<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>630.527.2320
| Direct: 630.753.8561 | Fax: 630.527.2321</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a
href="http://www.kjww.com/"><span style='color:black'>www.kjww.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><b><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>“One of the Best AEC Firms to Work For”<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:12.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly'><i><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>Building Design + Construction</span></i><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>, March 2008<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dakota
Kelley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nick Caton; M. Shields; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Unmet Hours<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I put one small FYI at the end
of Nick’s #3 below, in all caps for the sake of the plain text archives…<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Dakota<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nick Caton
[mailto:ncaton@smithboucher.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> M. Shields; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Unmet Hours<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Michael, <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>90.1’s passage (G3.1.2.2)
regarding unmet hours requirements is something I had to re-read many times to
get my head fully wrapped around it… Here’s my current interpretation:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>You need to have 300
or fewer hours in each model.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>The proposed is not
allowed to perform worse than the baseline by more than 50 unmet hours.
 If it does you have to make the baseline “underperform” so they’re within
50 of each other. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='color:#984806'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>The baseline is
permitted to perform worse than the proposed (by any degree) as long as it’s
still 300 or fewer unmet hours. </span><span style='color:#984806'>THIS IS MY
INTERPRETATION AS WELL, BUT IT IS WORTH MENTIONING THAT MORE THAN ONE LEED
REVIEWER HAS INDICATED THE OPPOSITE.  FOR EXAMPLE, I WAS TOLD I WAS OUT OF
COMPLIANCE WHEN THE BASELINE HAD 65 UNMET COOLING HOURS AND THE PROPOSED HAD 5
UNMET COOLING HOURS.  DO YOU ARGUE, OR JUST REDUCE THE BASELINE
HOURS?  IT PENALIZES THE BASELINE TO REDUCE THOSE HOURS, SO I WENT AHEAD
AND DID WHAT I WAS TOLD.    <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>You haven’t said whether you’re
talking about your baseline or proposed model, but the above points should
guide you as to whether you need to make an adjustment.  Refer to G3.1.2.2
for review and further info.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>M.
Shields<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Unmet Hours<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>I am working on filing out the LEED paperwork for submittal and
for unmet hours I am wondering does the reviewer want the total unmet load
hours for the building, or an average per zone?  My building has about 100
zones, most of which have 0 unmet hours, but I have one zone which has
significant (more than 50) unmet hours.  Does this mean my model exceeds
the requirement that the difference between the baseline and the proposed be
less than 50 hours?<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for any advice.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>Michael Shields<o:p></o:p></p>

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803-493-4507<br>
Fax: 803-548-2511<br>
Email: <a href="mailto:mshields@fstrategies.com">mshields@fstrategies.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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