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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Omar,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I have a few comments. First of all, when I opened your file I
got many warnings stating that the windows were not positioned correctly. I am
using a modified eQUEST version of 3.63 supplied in a training from Marlin
Addison. You may not receive the warnings depending on what version you are
using. You may want to double check your window placements.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I have provided screen shots of air handler 1. I made the
following modifications and it appeared to run correctly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Also, I would recommend having an experienced modeler to review
you model when it is finished since this is your first one and there appears to
be many small items that could be improved. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Good luck, <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Otto<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Omar Katanani
[mailto:omar@ecoconsulting.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 23, 2010 12:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] VAV with Electric Reheat<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Otto, it didn’t work!</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Dear all,</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:navy'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I discovered that the parameter “Hot Deck Max Leaving
Temp” is necessary in order to activate the main heating coil! If left to
default, only the reheat coils will operate.</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:navy'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Back to my case, where I had electric reheat. When I didn’t
specify the “Hot Deck Max Leaving Temp”, the hot water loop had
zero flow because it wasn’t activated (and hence the error).</span><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Now when I specified a value of 70F, I got rid of the error, but
the whole heating (99.9%) was electric, and a very small 0.1% was due to the
hot water loop.</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>A possible percentage of space heating sources is 80% hot water
loop, 20% electric reheat coil. (or any other reasonable percentage).</span><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I played a lot with the “reheat delta temp” and the
“Hot Deck Max Leaving Temp”, the results slightly varied (change in
the fuel consumption of space heat, but still negligible compared to the
electric portion.</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'> </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Any recommendations? I attach my files just in case…</span><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Many thanks,</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Omar</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> Otto Schwieterman [mailto:oschwieterman@fhai.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 21 July 2010 17:56<br>
<b>To:</b> Omar Katanani; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] VAV with Electric Reheat</span><span
lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Omar,</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You can try using a pre-heat coil as your hot water coil in the
air handler and the electric heat in your re-heat coil.</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Omar Katanani
[mailto:omar@ecoconsulting.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Omar Katanani; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] VAV with Electric Reheat</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dear all,<br>
<br>
I'm sorry I've been nagging a lot lately, but believe me, you guys are my only
support!<br>
<br>
I was using a VAV system, with the reheat source being the hot water loop. I
specified the Reheat delta temperature by trial and error to 25F. Everything is
fine.<br>
<br>
Now I got updated info from the client saying that the source of the reheat is
electric. I am getting an error message:<br>
<br>
"Hot Water Loop  has zero design flow. Check input for consistency,
or specify design loads."<br>
<br>
I read a couple of discussions. I understand that many factors will affect this
issue. The "Hot Deck Maximum Supply Temp", the "Reheat Delta
Temp", and the "Zone Entering Max Supply Temp".<br>
<br>
I tried specifying the hot deck max supply temp to 70F, I got the results
attached in the pdf. However, the gas consumption part of the space heating is
negligible compared to the electric, while I thought both will be of
significant ratios!<br>
<br>
My main question is how to get reasonable results, knowing that the main
heating source is the hot water loop, and the electric reheat is to fine tune
the temperature of zones experiencing different loads or so...<br>
<br>
I know that the design temperature of the zones is 70F, and that the
temperature that is supplied to the zone should be 30 degrees higher than the
zone temperature (70+30=100F).<br>
<br>
Any advice on how to choose the "reheat delta temp" and the "hot
deck maximum supply temp", or any other input parameter you feel that it
affects, is greatly appreciated.<br>
<br>
Many thanks,<br>
Omar<br>
___________________________<br>
<br>
Omar Katanani<br>
Sustainable Design Engineer<br>
Email: omar@ecoconsulting.net<br>
<br>
<br>
EcoConsulting (Lebanon)<br>
Nahas Building, 4th floor<br>
4 St-Maron Street / Georges Haddad Avenue<br>
Postal Code: 2028 5806 SAIFI<br>
Beirut, Lebanon<br>
Tel:       +961 (0) 1 971 255<br>
Mobile:    +961 (0) 3 045 045<br>
<br>
<br>
EcoConsulting (UK) Ltd<br>
28 Marshalsea Road<br>
London, SE1 1HF<br>
Tel: +44 (0)207 939 0989<br>
Fax: +44 (0)207 939 0981<br>
Website: www.ecoconsulting.net<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Omar Katanani<br>
Sent: Thu 7/15/2010 11:44 AM<br>
To: equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
Subject: VAV with Electric Reheat<br>
<br>
<br>
Dear all,<br>
<br>
I was using a VAV system, with the reheat source being the hot water loop. I
specified the Reheat delta temperature by trial and error to 20F. Everything is
fine.<br>
<br>
Now I got updated info from the client saying that the source of the reheat is
electric. I am getting an error message:<br>
<br>
"Hot Water Loop  has zero design flow. Check input for consistency,
or specify design loads."<br>
<br>
I read a couple of discussions. I understand that many factors will affect this
issue. The "Hot Deck Maximum Supply Temp", the "Reheat Delta
Temp", and the "Zone Entering Max Supply Temp".<br>
<br>
First of all, is the sum of the first two equal to the third?<br>
<br>
My main question is how to get reasonable results, knowing that the main
heating source is the hot water loop, and the electric reheat is just to fine
tune the temperature of zones  experiencing different loads or so...<br>
<br>
I played with all values but I can't figure out the pattern. I know that the
design temperature of the zones is 70F, and that the temperature that is
supplied to the zone should be 30 degrees higher than the zone temperature
(70+30=100F).<br>
<br>
Any advice on how to choose the "reheat delta temp" and the "hot
deck maximum supply temp" is greatly appreciated.<br>
<br>
Many thanks,<br>
Omar<br>
<br>
<br>
___________________________<br>
<br>
Omar Katanani<br>
Sustainable Design Engineer<br>
Email: omar@ecoconsulting.net<br>
<br>
<br>
EcoConsulting (Lebanon)<br>
Nahas Building, 4th floor<br>
4 St-Maron Street / Georges Haddad Avenue<br>
Postal Code: 2028 5806 SAIFI<br>
Beirut, Lebanon<br>
Tel:       +961 (0) 1 971 255<br>
Mobile:    +961 (0) 3 045 045<br>
<br>
<br>
EcoConsulting (UK) Ltd<br>
28 Marshalsea Road<br>
London, SE1 1HF<br>
Tel: +44 (0)207 939 0989<br>
Fax: +44 (0)207 939 0981<br>
Website: www.ecoconsulting.net</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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