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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yes, you can do complex roofs if you work
at it and nobody reminds you that you’re working on a deadline. (See
attached.) Ditto Carol’s <span class=SpellE>Revit</span> comment and <span
class=SpellE><span class=GramE>Lan’s</span></span> simpler-is-better-to-a-point
advice.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Li, Lan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010
1:42 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> tim; Carol Gardner<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users]
Modifying Geometry</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:blue'>Tim, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:blue'>I think eQuest is an energy modeling
program and we are more concerned in BTU/ton terms – or $$ at the end. If
the roof was built somewhat differently by modeler as it was shown on
architectural drawings, my question is only how much it will affect the energy
usage. If it is a minor, I won’t drive myself crazy to make them same.
If you read Ashare 90-1, simplify building geometry for energy simulation
purpose is allowed. Also when we model a building, we can have tons of inputs
and lots of assumptions are made either by us or by the program itself, I think
majority of them can have a bigger impact on our goal than build a prefect
roof/building shell. I might be one of the lazy modelers. Hope you can enjoy
eQuest a little bit more. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Calibri><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:blue'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> tim
[mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010
1:29 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Carol Gardner'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users]
Modifying Geometry</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>If you’re
complimenting me on my observation, my awareness must be at an all-time high
today.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>How about a complex
roof shape like the one attached? Notice ridge lines don’t match
and there is a gable at the porch end as well as the building end.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Can equest do that
too? As long as one would put in the training time of course…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Tim<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Carol Gardner
[mailto:cmg750@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010
1:01 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> tim<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Omar Katanani;
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users]
Modifying Geometry<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Well, at least your
powers of observation aren't suffering.<br>
<br>
Yes, you can model individual ceiling heights per room. You can do almost
anything once you take the time to learn how. What are the specifics of what
you want to do: model a room with two different ceiling heights or model a
bunch of rooms with one height and a bunch with another height? A picture would
be great if ya have one.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:56 AM, tim <<a
href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>Wow – I think I struck a nerve.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>On a related note…</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>Does equest have a way to model individual ceiling heights per
room?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>Tim</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><font
size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Carol Gardner [mailto:<a
href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010
12:43 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> tim<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Omar Katanani; <a
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users]
Modifying Geometry<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I have got to
protest this one, sorry Tim. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Buying a Revit license to be able to accurately model geometry in eQUEST is, to
be blunt, crazy. It's really pretty easy to revise your geometry and if you
can't do that using one of the 3 methods I provided earlier, you need to figure
out how to train yourself better or leave the field. It's not just a matter of
being able to use eQUEST at this point, it's a matter of being able to generate
an accurate model using any tool. Being able to import CAD or Revit data into
energy models is a recent development. Frankly, I question it's utility,
especially if people now think they have to use it or they can't model a
building. Friendly front ends like eQUEST, DesignBuilder, etc., are great but
you need to know how a building operates and how the systems work or it's just
GIGO. <br>
<br>
Carol<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Wed, Jul 21,
2010 at 9:29 AM, tim <<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net" target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>Omar</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>I haven’t had much luck with customizing spaces
either. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>I think there is a way to import a revit model file into
equest. If I needed complicated zones & spatial geometry, I would
probably consider a revit license, but with that come’s more money
($4-$6k for 1 standalone license) and possibly more training, but might save a
whole lot of headache.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>Seems like equest is more of an energy modeler than an accurate
building modeler.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>tim </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Omar Katanani<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010
10:46 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Equest-users] Modifying
Geometry</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dear all,<br>
<br>
Once again, another problem!<br>
<br>
I have several spaces which were geometrically modified in the design. For
example, a room that was split into two different ones; with each room being a
different hvac zone. How can I possibly split a room into two zones
"1" and "2"? Shall I modify the geometry of the old zone to
be that of zone "1", and then add another zone "2" from
scratch? If this is what should be done, how can I do this accurately?<br>
<br>
Attached is the polygon view of one of my floors. When you look at them in 2-D
or 3-D views, the building seems perfect in shape. Notice the rectangle to the
left of the picture! This is actually a zone that lies inside the building. But
it appears like this in polygon view. I think it is some problem of coordinate
references or so!<br>
So when I need to modify the geometry according to coordinates of vertices, I'm
suffering!<br>
<br>
Many thanks!<br>
Omar<br>
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