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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Yep, I just gave up and rounded off distances and settled for a
simplified roof. After all, there are even slight discrepancies between
masonry coursing dimensions & fractional feet. Besides that, ASHRAE 90.1
G even says this is not an attempt to model actual energy usage, but rather to
compare against the more widely used, typical systems (baseline).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Attached is an image of the model that equest generated after my
compromises – took about 10 minutes in the wizard – no dd editing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I believe you with the vertices & the text file editing an
all, but if the point isn’t even to model the “actual” energy
usage, then I say why bother? I can make a pretty accurate looking model
in revit or sketchup or drawing by hand for that matter if you just want to
look at it, but I’m thinking of equest as more of a tool just to get
close enough to real world to get the numbers needed to find the percent
improvement over the baseline and make the planet will be a better place to
live.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Even equest tutorials say this is “SIMULATION” <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Bishop, Bill
[mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tim; Sami, Vikram<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Tim,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Thanks. Yes, eQuest. You do as much as you can in the Wizard. I
find I often have to modify roof surfaces in DD edit mode. I will usually
create a new roof polygon by copying the polygon of a trouble roof surface,
change the coordinates in the .inp file (unless it is a simple rectangle
– I find the program is glitchy when you try to modify coordinates in a
spreadsheet in DD edit mode) and save it, then reopen the eQuest model and
assign the new roof polygon to the roof surface. Lather, rinse, repeat. Save
often.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Vikram,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>“Couldn't help notice - you seem to have the roof modeled
as a wall (vertex input) rather than a roof (top of space). Is it simpler to do
it that way?”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Modeling a sloped roof is a judgment call. You have to decide if
the added complexity will give you a significantly better model, or if the
visual “wow” factor is worth it for impressing your clients. The
wizard does a decent job at sloped roofs for simple building geometries. As far
as walls vs. roofs, it seems to me that eQuest models them the same, except for
the angle. (Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.) After all, you add
both walls and roofs in DD edit mode by creating a new “Exterior
Wall”. If the building geometry is such that you can simply select
“top” for the surface location (such as the one roof surface on the
first floor of my example), then of course that is easier.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> tim
[mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bishop, Bill<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Wow Bill – that is cool – thanks for that. Not
sure I will be that adept after my 7000 square foot project, but it’s
good to know the capabilities. This building was generated in
equest? I did find where you can change the pitch of the roof by
degrees! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I have never use revit with equest btw – I was just
reacting bitterly to my first go at trying to use that interface. I tried
to customize zones and came up with some crazy thing that looked like a tree
house for monkeys.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks for helping me believe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Bishop, Bill
[mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Tim,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Yes, you can do complex roofs if you work at it and nobody reminds
you that you’re working on a deadline. (See attached.) Ditto
Carol’s Revit comment and Lan’s simpler-is-better-to-a-point
advice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Medium Cond","sans-serif";
color:black'>William Bishop, PE, BEMP, LEED<sup>®</sup> AP </span></b><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Medium Cond","sans-serif";
color:#006600'>|</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Medium Cond","sans-serif";
color:black'> Pathfinder Engineers & Architects LLP<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Mechanical Engineer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:5.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>134 South Fitzhugh Street</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
color:navy'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Rochester, NY 14608</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:navy'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>T: (585) 325-6004 </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Ext. 114</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
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</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>F: (585) 325-6005</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>www.pathfinder-ea.com</span><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Webdings;
color:green'>P</span><span style='color:green'> </span><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;color:green'>Sustainability – less is more.</span><span
style='color:green'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Li, Lan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tim; Carol Gardner<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Tim, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I think eQuest is an energy modeling program and we are more
concerned in BTU/ton terms – or $$ at the end. If the roof was built
somewhat differently by modeler as it was shown on architectural drawings, my
question is only how much it will affect the energy usage. If it is a minor, I
won’t drive myself crazy to make them same. If you read Ashare
90-1, simplify building geometry for energy simulation purpose is allowed. Also
when we model a building, we can have tons of inputs and lots of assumptions
are made either by us or by the program itself, I think majority of them can
have a bigger impact on our goal than build a prefect roof/building shell. I
might be one of the lazy modelers. Hope you can enjoy eQuest a little bit more.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Lan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Lan Li, PE<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd";
color:#7030A0'>Mechanical Engineer</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7030A0'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd";
color:blue'>Scheeser Buckley Mayfield LLC
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd";color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:blue'>1540 Corporate Woods Parkway</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Clarendon Cd";color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd";
color:blue'>Uniontown, OH 44685<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Phone: (330) 896-4664 ext. 123<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:blue'>Cell: (330) 904-6292<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:blue'><a href="mailto:lli@sbmce.com" title="blocked::mailto:lli@sbmce.com"><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>lli@sbmce.com</span></a></span></u><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Clarendon Cd";color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:blue'><a href="http://www.sbmce.com/"
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> tim
[mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Carol Gardner'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you’re complimenting me on my observation, my awareness
must be at an all-time high today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>How about a complex roof shape like the one attached?
Notice ridge lines don’t match and there is a gable at the porch end as
well as the building end.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Can equest do that too? As long as one would put in the
training time of course…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Carol Gardner
[mailto:cmg750@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Omar Katanani; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Well, at least your powers of
observation aren't suffering.<br>
<br>
Yes, you can model individual ceiling heights per room. You can do almost
anything once you take the time to learn how. What are the specifics of what
you want to do: model a room with two different ceiling heights or model a
bunch of rooms with one height and a bunch with another height? A picture would
be great if ya have one.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:56 AM, tim <<a
href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Wow – I think I struck a nerve.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>On a related note…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Does equest have a way to model
individual ceiling heights per room?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Tim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Carol
Gardner [mailto:<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Omar Katanani; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I have
got to protest this one, sorry Tim. <o:p></o:p></p>
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Buying a Revit license to be able to accurately model geometry in eQUEST is, to
be blunt, crazy. It's really pretty easy to revise your geometry and if you
can't do that using one of the 3 methods I provided earlier, you need to figure
out how to train yourself better or leave the field. It's not just a matter of
being able to use eQUEST at this point, it's a matter of being able to generate
an accurate model using any tool. Being able to import CAD or Revit data into
energy models is a recent development. Frankly, I question it's utility,
especially if people now think they have to use it or they can't model a
building. Friendly front ends like eQUEST, DesignBuilder, etc., are great but
you need to know how a building operates and how the systems work or it's just
GIGO. <br>
<br>
Carol<o:p></o:p></p>
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Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:29 AM, tim <<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net"
target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Omar</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I haven’t had much luck with
customizing spaces either. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I think there is a way to import a revit
model file into equest. If I needed complicated zones & spatial
geometry, I would probably consider a revit license, but with that come’s
more money ($4-$6k for 1 standalone license) and possibly more training, but
might save a whole lot of headache.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Seems like equest is more of an energy
modeler than an accurate building modeler.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>tim </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Omar Katanani<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dear all,<br>
<br>
Once again, another problem!<br>
<br>
I have several spaces which were geometrically modified in the design. For
example, a room that was split into two different ones; with each room being a
different hvac zone. How can I possibly split a room into two zones
"1" and "2"? Shall I modify the geometry of the old zone to
be that of zone "1", and then add another zone "2" from
scratch? If this is what should be done, how can I do this accurately?<br>
<br>
Attached is the polygon view of one of my floors. When you look at them in 2-D
or 3-D views, the building seems perfect in shape. Notice the rectangle to the
left of the picture! This is actually a zone that lies inside the building. But
it appears like this in polygon view. I think it is some problem of coordinate
references or so!<br>
So when I need to modify the geometry according to coordinates of vertices, I'm
suffering!<br>
<br>
Many thanks!<br>
Omar<br>
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Omar Katanani<br>
Sustainable Design Engineer<br>
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