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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you’re complimenting me on my observation, my awareness
must be at an all-time high today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>How about a complex roof shape like the one attached? Notice
ridge lines don’t match and there is a gable at the porch end as well as
the building end.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Can equest do that too? As long as one would put in the
training time of course…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Carol Gardner
[mailto:cmg750@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Omar Katanani; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Well, at least your powers of
observation aren't suffering.<br>
<br>
Yes, you can model individual ceiling heights per room. You can do almost
anything once you take the time to learn how. What are the specifics of what
you want to do: model a room with two different ceiling heights or model a
bunch of rooms with one height and a bunch with another height? A picture would
be great if ya have one.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:56 AM, tim <<a
href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Wow – I think I struck a nerve.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>On a related note…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Does equest have a way to model
individual ceiling heights per room?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Tim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Carol
Gardner [mailto:<a href="mailto:cmg750@gmail.com" target="_blank">cmg750@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> tim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Omar Katanani; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I have
got to protest this one, sorry Tim. <o:p></o:p></p>
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Buying a Revit license to be able to accurately model geometry in eQUEST is, to
be blunt, crazy. It's really pretty easy to revise your geometry and if you
can't do that using one of the 3 methods I provided earlier, you need to figure
out how to train yourself better or leave the field. It's not just a matter of
being able to use eQUEST at this point, it's a matter of being able to generate
an accurate model using any tool. Being able to import CAD or Revit data into
energy models is a recent development. Frankly, I question it's utility,
especially if people now think they have to use it or they can't model a
building. Friendly front ends like eQUEST, DesignBuilder, etc., are great but
you need to know how a building operates and how the systems work or it's just
GIGO. <br>
<br>
Carol<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:29 AM, tim <<a href="mailto:tim.jgrier@fuse.net"
target="_blank">tim.jgrier@fuse.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Omar</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I haven’t had much luck with
customizing spaces either. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I think there is a way to import a revit
model file into equest. If I needed complicated zones & spatial
geometry, I would probably consider a revit license, but with that come’s
more money ($4-$6k for 1 standalone license) and possibly more training, but
might save a whole lot of headache.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Seems like equest is more of an energy
modeler than an accurate building modeler.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>tim </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Omar Katanani<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Modifying Geometry</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dear all,<br>
<br>
Once again, another problem!<br>
<br>
I have several spaces which were geometrically modified in the design. For
example, a room that was split into two different ones; with each room being a
different hvac zone. How can I possibly split a room into two zones
"1" and "2"? Shall I modify the geometry of the old zone to
be that of zone "1", and then add another zone "2" from
scratch? If this is what should be done, how can I do this accurately?<br>
<br>
Attached is the polygon view of one of my floors. When you look at them in 2-D
or 3-D views, the building seems perfect in shape. Notice the rectangle to the
left of the picture! This is actually a zone that lies inside the building. But
it appears like this in polygon view. I think it is some problem of coordinate
references or so!<br>
So when I need to modify the geometry according to coordinates of vertices, I'm
suffering!<br>
<br>
Many thanks!<br>
Omar<br>
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___________________________<br>
<br>
Omar Katanani<br>
Sustainable Design Engineer<br>
Email: <a href="mailto:omar@ecoconsulting.net" target="_blank">omar@ecoconsulting.net</a><br>
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